Enthelpy change with standard conditions

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The discussion centers on the relationship between enthalpy change and pressure, specifically addressing the equation H = U + pV. Participants clarify that while the ideal gas law (pV = nRT) applies to gases, enthalpy also accounts for internal and external pressures, which are not always equivalent. The standard conditions for measuring enthalpy are 25°C and 1 atm, emphasizing the importance of external pressure in thermodynamic calculations. The conversation highlights the distinction between internal pressure and external pressure, particularly in non-ideal systems such as solids and liquids.

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  • Understanding of thermodynamic potentials, specifically enthalpy and internal energy.
  • Familiarity with the ideal gas law (pV = nRT) and its limitations.
  • Knowledge of standard conditions in thermodynamics (25°C, 1 atm).
  • Basic concepts of pressure, including internal and external pressure distinctions.
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  • #31
Borek said:

Thank you Borek for giving the link! All I can see is that Eutectics6002 states that in a (quasi-) reversible process p_in =p_ext if the system is in mechanical equilibrium with its surrounding. This I never doubted! However, enthalpy is also defined for systems not in mechanical equilibrium with the surrounding.
 
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  • #32
DrDu said:
How do you describe then the Joule-Thompson experiment? I.e. the expansion of a gas from (internal) pressure p1 to pressure p2 trough a throttle?
According to e.g. the book of Max Planck "Thermodynamik" // The process is called "isenthalpic" as H1=H2.

The answer to this question can be found in a 2010 publication in the journal of the Dutch Process Engineers:
'Energy-balance of the Joule-Thomson experiment: Enthalpy change at decompression.
(npt-procestechnologie 17(4)18-22.)

The throttle process is not isenthalpic except in one (theoretical) case.
 
  • #33
Zeppos10 said:
in my opinion the proper handling of the joule-kelvin experiment depends on the proper definition of the system, ie system-environment interface. It is not a system in equilibrium however and it brings us far from the problem that started this discussion. To me it seems rather important to the whole of science what the physical meaning is of p in (H=U+pV): I wonder if there are only 2 or 3 people in this forum that are interested in the subject ??

for the throttle-aspect see file attached in thread on nov 24 2010:
Enthalpy, thermal energy, and kinetic vs. potential energy
 

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