Entropy and the second law of thermodynamics

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of entropy and the second law of thermodynamics, particularly in the context of the Stirling cycle, which includes isothermal and isochoric processes. Participants are exploring how to calculate heat changes and entropy variations within this thermodynamic cycle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the definitions of isochoric and isothermal processes and their roles in the Stirling cycle. Questions about the implications of volume ratios on entropy changes are raised, along with discussions about the relevance of initial and final volumes in calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints regarding the relationship between heat and entropy in the context of the cycle, while others express uncertainty about the calculations involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the algebraic relationships and assumptions underlying the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential variability in volume ratios and how this affects the change in entropy per cycle. There are indications of algebraic mistakes and clarifications regarding signs in the equations being discussed.

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Homework Statement
A Stirling engine operates between a hot reservoir at temperature TH=400K and a cold reservoir at temperature TC=300K. The working substance is n=0.15mol of ideal gas with gamma factor γ=1.4. Assume all heat going into the engine comes from the hot reservoir and all heat dissipated by the engine goes to the cold reservoir and compute the change of entropy for the universe each cycle.
I wanna first figure out the heat but I don't know their volume at that moment and how is gamma factor used in this problem.
Relevant Equations
Change of entropy for the universe=change of entropy for cold reservoir+that for hot reservoir=-QH/TH+QC/TC
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rude man said:
What does "isochoric" mean? Where do you see such a process?
the stirling cycle contains two isothermal processes (constant temperature) and two isochoric processes (constant volume). you can check out the diagram attached above.
 
Let the smaller volume be V1 and the larger volume be V2. In terms of V1 and V2, what are QH and QC? What are ##\Delta S_H## and ##\Delta S_C##?
 
Here's a hint: The net change in entropy of the system plus surroundings is zero for the two isothermal steps.

Also, pay particular attention to this: "Assume all heat going into the engine comes from the hot reservoir and all heat dissipated by the engine goes to the cold reservoir"
 
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I wonder if this is doable.
I mean, the ratio of Vb/Va could be any number without changing the text of the problem, yet the change in entropy per cyccle is a function of this ratio.
denniszhao said:
the stirling cycle contains two isothermal processes (constant temperature) and two isochoric processes (constant volume). you can check out the diagram attached above.
I thought I deleted this post almost immediately I posted it; sorry, didn't look at the diagream carfully.
 
rude man said:
I wonder if this is doable.
I mean, the ratio of Vb/Va could be any number without changing the text of the problem, yet the change in entropy per cyccle is a function of this ratio.

I thought I deleted this post almost immediately I posted it; sorry, didn't look at the diagream carfully.
Here is my final hint: The initial and final volumes are irrelevant.
 
Chestermiller said:
Here is my final hint: The initial and final volumes are irrelevant.
That's because ln(VH/VL) - ln(VL/VH) = 0 right?
 
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rude man said:
That's because ln(VH/VL) - ln(VL/VH) = 0 right?
Yes, aside from the minus sign.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Yes, aside from the minus sign.
10-4.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Here is my final hint: The initial and final volumes are irrelevant.
but i can't cancel that part tho
 

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@denniszhao,
EDIT: sorry, got my signs wrong. Here is correct:

## \Delta Q_C## > 0. The cold reservoir gains entropy.
## \Delta Q_H ## < 0. The hot reservoir loses entropy.
 
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denniszhao said:
but i can't cancel that part tho
You made an algebra mistake. The log terms cancel.
 

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