The Effect of Increasing the Size of a Solid on Its Entropy

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the size of a solid body and its entropy, specifically through the lens of the Einstein model of solids. The entropy is defined by the equation S = k*lnΩ, where Ω is the multiplicity of states. It is concluded that increasing the size of a rigid body does not affect its entropy, while for deformable bodies, increasing size without energy change maintains the same entropy. The conversation also touches on the implications of adding oscillators versus increasing distances between them.

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Does increase the size of the solid body increase its entropy? I was thinking about it using the Einstein model of solid.

S = k*lnΩ
Ω = (q+n-1)!/((q)!(n-1)!)

I am not sure how this question should be answer, i think if we talk about rigid bodies, the question don't even have sense, but about deformable bodies, technically increase its extension would not increase the entropy.
However, enlarge a body means to do work on it, that is, give it a additional energy.
Seeing by this way, if it would possible to enlarge a body and at the same time make it lost energy, in such way that the net energy change is zero, so we would end with a body/system greater than the one first, with the same entropy S = k*lnΩ.

Anyway maybe i am mixing quantum and classical mechanics in this topic, if this is the case, sorry, i don't know a lot quantum mechanics yet.
 
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LCSphysicist said:
Homework Statement:: All below
Relevant Equations:: All below

Does increase the size of the solid body increase its entropy? I was thinking about it using the Einstein model of solid.

S = k*lnΩ
Ω = (q+n-1)!/((q)!(n-1)!)

I am not sure how this question should be answer, i think if we talk about rigid bodies, the question don't even have sense, but about deformable bodies, technically increase its extension would not increase the entropy.
However, enlarge a body means to do work on it, that is, give it a additional energy.
Seeing by this way, if it would possible to enlarge a body and at the same time make it lost energy, in such way that the net energy change is zero, so we would end with a body/system greater than the one first, with the same entropy S = k*lnΩ.

Anyway maybe i am mixing quantum and classical mechanics in this topic, if this is the case, sorry, i don't know a lot quantum mechanics yet.
When you say you are increasing the size of the solid, are you adding oscillators/atoms (increasing N) or increasing the distance between oscillators/atoms?
 

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