Entropy of a Schwarzchild black hole

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The entropy of a Schwarzschild black hole can be expressed as S = \frac{\xi k c}{4\pi h G}A, where A = 16 \pi R^2_c and R_c is the event horizon radius. The discussion highlights the relationship between the first law of thermodynamics for black holes and the entropy formula, referencing Wald's "General Relativity" (1984) for foundational concepts. Key equations include the de Broglie relation and the Bekenstein-Hawking entropy formula S_{Beckenstein-Hawking} = \frac{A}{4\hbar}. The participants clarify the definitions and relationships between mass, energy, and work in the context of black hole thermodynamics.

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Hi, I'm looking for some help on where to start with this question:

The surface area of a Schwarzschild black hole is A=16 \pi R^2_c where R_c is the distance of the event horizon from the centre of the black hole. Show that for such a hole containing quantized matter, its entropy can be written

S = \frac{\xi k c}{4\pi h G}A

where \xi is a numerical constant.



I know that the enropy of a change is

S = \int_{initial}^{final} \frac{Q_{rev}}{T}

and can show that using the de Broglie relation

\lambda dB <= 2R_c = \frac{4GM}{c^2}

the energy is

\frac{hc^3}{4GM} <= E

But I'm not sure where to go with proving that the entropy is the equation given.
 
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It looks like you got your Latex wrong. Change the [\tex] to [/tex].
 
S_{Beckenstein-Hawking}=\frac{A}{4\hbar}

is more likely defined...

Daniel.
 
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In the section 12.5 of his book [1],Wald shows that the first law of thermodynamics for a black hole can be written

dM=\frac{1}{8\pi}\kappa dA+\Omega_{H}dJ

Daniel.

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[1]Wald R.M."General Relativity",1984.
 
Ok, that's helpful, thanks. I assume \Omega_{H}dJ represents work done.

Does that mean the two forms

dM = \frac{K dA}{8\pi} + work
dE = T dS + work

could be equated?

dE - T dS = dM - \frac{K dA}{8\pi}
 
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Yes,TdS=\frac{1}{8\pi}\kappa dA

Daniel.
 
And one more thing,it's Karl Schwarzschild.

Daniel.
 
Thanks for your help.
 

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