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The discussion revolves around the use of equal signs versus approximation signs in mathematical expressions, particularly in physics contexts. Participants explore examples from textbooks and question the appropriateness of these symbols in representing calculated values, especially when rounding is involved.

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  • Some participants argue that the equal sign should be used for exact values, while the approximation sign should indicate rounded or estimated values.
  • One participant suggests that the computation itself is approximative, questioning the significance of the symbols used.
  • Another participant points out that the first equal sign in the example should be an approximation sign, as the calculated value is not exact.
  • Concerns are raised about the use of equal signs in trigonometric solutions, with some participants noting that textbooks often use equal signs for rounded values, which may be misleading.
  • One participant emphasizes that the equal sign should be reserved for exact answers, while the approximation sign should be used for rounded values.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriate use of equal and approximation signs. Multiple competing views remain regarding the significance of these symbols in mathematical expressions.

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Participants reference specific examples from textbooks, indicating that the context of the problem may influence the choice of symbols. There is also mention of varying conventions in different educational materials.

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The authors of a physics textbook want to determine the number of grains, N in a beach of 500 m long, 100 m wide, and 3 m deep. They assumed that each grain is 1-mm-diameter sphere. They also assumed that the grains are so tightly packed that the volume of the space between the grains is negligible compared to the volume of the sand itself. The authors found the answer as follows:

Volume of the beach = N X Volume of each grain
N = (Volume of the beach) / (Volume of each grain)
N=\frac{(500)(100)(3)}{(\frac{4}{3}\pi)(0.5\times10^{-3})^3}=2.9\times10^{14}\approx3\times10^{14}

Why equal sign is used between \frac{(500)(100)(3)}{(\frac{4}{3}\pi)(0.5\times10^{-3})^3} and 2.9\times10^{14} instead of approximation sign? Why approximation sign is used between 2.9\times10^{14} and 3\times10^{14} instead of equal sign?
 
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You are giving too much significance to the particular sign used. The computation in itself is approximative.
 
shuxue said:
N=\frac{(500)(100)(3)}{(\frac{4}{3}\pi)(0.5\times10^{-3})^3}=2.9\times10^{14}\approx3\times10^{14}
The first equals sign should really be ≈, IMO, since the 2.9 x 1014 is an approximation. This value, in turn, is approximately equal to 3.0 x 1014.
 
The example is taken from "Physics: For Scientists and Engineers", by Paul A. Tipler and Gene Mosca.

I found another similar example in another textbook, "Fundamental of physics" by Halliday, Resnick, and Walker. The example is as follows:

A pirate ship is 560 m from a fort defending a harbor entrance. A defense cannon, located at sea level in front of the fort fires balls at initial speed of v = 82 m/s. Thus the maximum range, R of the cannonballs is

R=\frac{v^2}{g}=((82 \enspace m/s)^2)/(9.8\enspace m \enspace s^{-2})=686 \enspace m\approx690 \enspace m

Again, why equal sign is used between ((82 m/s)^2)/(9.8 m s^(-2)) and 686 m instead of approximation sign? Why approximation sign is used between 686 m and 690 m instead of equal sign?
 
shuxue said:
The example is taken from "Physics: For Scientists and Engineers", by Paul A. Tipler and Gene Mosca.

I found another similar example in another textbook, "Fundamental of physics" by Halliday, Resnick, and Walker. The example is as follows:

A pirate ship is 560 m from a fort defending a harbor entrance. A defense cannon, located at sea level in front of the fort fires balls at initial speed of v = 82 m/s. Thus the maximum range, R of the cannonballs is

R=\frac{v^2}{g}=((82 \enspace m/s)^2)/(9.8\enspace m \enspace s^{-2})=686 \enspace m\approx690 \enspace m

Again, why equal sign is used between ((82 m/s)^2)/(9.8 m s^(-2)) and 686 m instead of approximation sign? Why approximation sign is used between 686 m and 690 m instead of equal sign?
The = isn't appropriate because ##\frac{82^2}{9.8}## is not equal to 686. A better approximation is 686.122.

I would have written the calculation this way:
$$\frac{82^2}{9.8} \doteq 686 \approx 690$$

For your second question, since 686 is not equal to 690 (obviously), it would be incorrect to write 686 = 690.
 
Mark44 said:
For your second question, since 686 is not equal to 690 (obviously), it would be incorrect to write 686 = 690.

But then g is not equal to 9.8 ms^-2 either, unless this has been specifically mentioned earlier, even with the restraint of "at sea level"
 
I want to solve the equation ##2 \sin^2\theta+2 \sin \theta-1=0##, ##0\leq\theta<2\pi##. By using the quadratic formula. I found one of the solution to be ##\theta=\sin^{-1}( \frac{-1+\sqrt{3}}{2})##. Which of the following ways of writing the numerical value of ##\theta## is correct? (i) or (ii)?

(i) ##\theta=0.3747##, (ii) ##\theta\approx 0.3747##

Are both of them acceptable? I noticed that, frequently, in most trigonometric textbooks the numerical solution of a trigonometric equation is written using the equal sign (as in (ii)) even the numerical answer has been rounded. Why equal sign is used instead of approximation sign?
 
shuxue said:
I want to solve the equation ##2 \sin^2\theta+2 \sin \theta-1=0##, ##0\leq\theta<2\pi##. By using the quadratic formula. I found one of the solution to be ##\theta=\sin^{-1}( \frac{-1+\sqrt{3}}{2})##. Which of the following ways of writing the numerical value of ##\theta## is correct? (i) or (ii)?

(i) ##\theta=0.3747##, (ii) ##\theta\approx 0.3747##

Are both of them acceptable?
Not in my opinion. The first is only an approximation, but using = doesn't indicate that.
shuxue said:
I noticed that, frequently, in most trigonometric textbooks the numerical solution of a trigonometric equation is written using the equal sign (as in (ii)) even the numerical answer has been rounded.
As I recall, most of the trig books I've used (either as a student or as a teacher), the authors took pains to distinguish between exact answers (using = ) and answers that were rounded (using ≈ or ##\doteq##).
shuxue said:
Why equal sign is used instead of approximation sign?

You keep asking this, so apparently you aren't understanding. The = sign should be used for exact answers, and the ≈ should be used if you are writing only an approximate value.
 

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