Equation help with trig functions

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving trigonometric functions, specifically focusing on the algebraic manipulation of an equation related to a pendulum's height at a certain angle. Participants are examining the equivalence of two expressions derived from the equation y = 4.0m + 4.0m(sin theta).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the application of the distributive property in simplifying the equation. Questions arise regarding the transformation of terms and the role of units in algebraic expressions.

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The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing clarifications on algebraic principles while others express confusion about specific transformations and the handling of units. There is no explicit consensus yet, but guidance has been offered regarding the use of the distributive property.

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Participants are encouraged to refer to external resources for additional context, and there is an emphasis on understanding rather than simply applying formulas. The discussion highlights the importance of clarity in algebraic manipulation, particularly in the context of physics problems.

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I am currently working a physics problem and I have run into some math that I don't understand.

y = 4.0m + 4.0m(sin theta) = 4.0m(1+sin(theta))

In the problem I am trying to find a specific height at a certain angle (pendulum problem). I have found some help online that walks me through each step of the problem. I am just trying to understand how the above equation works, specifically the last part how 4 + 4(sin (theta)) is somehow equivalent to 4(1+sin(theta)). Is this some application of a formula or simple algebra that I am not understanding?

Maybe if you need more info you could check out the problem if you want too. The problem is located here: http://iweb.tntech.edu/murdock/books/v1chap6.pdf (Scroll down to page 143, worked examples # 6.2)
 
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vysero said:
I am currently working a physics problem and I have run into some math that I don't understand.

y = 4.0m + 4.0m(sin theta) = 4.0m(1+sin(theta))
This is nothing more than the distributive property.

a*b + a*c = a * (b + c)


vysero said:
In the problem I am trying to find a specific height at a certain angle (pendulum problem). I have found some help online that walks me through each step of the problem. I am just trying to understand how the above equation works, specifically the last part how 4 + 4(sin (theta)) is somehow equivalent to 4(1+sin(theta)). Is this some application of a formula or simple algebra that I am not understanding?

Maybe if you need more info you could check out the problem if you want too. The problem is located here: http://iweb.tntech.edu/murdock/books/v1chap6.pdf (Scroll down to page 143, worked examples # 6.2)
 
Okay so that's good to know. I am still a little confused. Why does the 4.0m turn into 1? For instance if I have (4+4)(x) I get 4x + 4x which equals 8x right? So maybe this is not the distributive property but if I have (4 +4)(sin(theta)) would that not be 4sin(theta) + 4sin(theta) which = 8sin(theta).. guess I still don't understand.
 
Here's a cleaned up version of what you write in post #1.
vysero said:
4 + 4sin(theta) = 4(1+sin(theta))

vysero said:
Okay so that's good to know. I am still a little confused. Why does the 4.0m turn into 1?
When you're doing algebra, you should get rid of the units. They don't add anything useful, and can cause confusion.

4 + 4sin(theta) = 4*1 + 4* sin(theta) = 4 * (1 + sin(theta))

Let's make it real simple, and get rid of the trig stuff.

4 + 4x = 4*1 + 4*x = 4(1 + x)
Get it?
vysero said:
For instance if I have (4+4)(x) I get 4x + 4x which equals 8x right? So maybe this is not the distributive property but if I have (4 +4)(sin(theta)) would that not be 4sin(theta) + 4sin(theta) which = 8sin(theta).. guess I still don't understand.
 
Awesome, thank you that's exactly what I needed to see.
 

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