Equation of a curve on a surface

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The discussion centers around the representation of curves on a surface defined by a vector function in vector calculus. Participants explore the justification for expressing a curve on a surface through parameterized equations relating to the surface's parameters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the justification or proof for representing a curve on a surface using parameterized equations for u and v.
  • Another participant asserts that since the surface has a unique point for each (u,v) pair, specifying (u,v)-pairs is sufficient to define a curve on the surface.
  • A later reply suggests that using different functions for u and v, such as u=h(λ) and v=g(λ), allows for the construction of a parametric function that remains on the surface.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the representation of curves on surfaces, with some clarifying concepts while others seek further justification. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the foundational proof for the initial claim.

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There is an implicit assumption that the functions defining the surface and the curve are well-defined within the specified ranges. The discussion does not resolve the foundational proof question raised by the initial participant.

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Trying to understand a concept on vector calculus, the book states:
If S is a surface represented by

\textbf{r}(u,v) = u\textbf{i} + v\textbf{j} + f(u,v)\textbf{k}

Any curve r(λ), where λ is a parameter, on the surface S can be represented by a pair of equations relating the parameters u and v, for example u = f(λ) and v = g(λ).

What exactly is the justification or proof for this statement?
 
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The surface has exactly one point for each pair of (u,v) (in the range where the surface is defined), as f(u,v) has exactly one value for all (u,v).
To define a curve on the surface, it is sufficient to specify a set of (u,v)-pairs.
 
Luna=Luna said:
Trying to understand a concept on vector calculus, the book states:
If S is a surface represented by

\textbf{r}(u,v) = u\textbf{i} + v\textbf{j} + f(u,v)\textbf{k}

Any curve r(λ), where λ is a parameter, on the surface S can be represented by a pair of equations relating the parameters u and v, for example u = f(λ) and v = g(λ).

What exactly is the justification or proof for this statement?

Not a good idea to use ##f## for two different things. If ##u=h(\lambda),~v=g(\lambda)## then $$\vec r(u,v)=\langle h(\lambda),g(\lambda),f(h(\lambda),g(\lambda))\rangle$$which is obviously on the surface and is a parametric function of a single variable, so is a curve.
 
Thanks for the responses!
I knew it had to be missing something basic!

Makes sense now.
 

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