Equation of motion for a chain sliding down an edge

In summary, the conversation discusses the setup of a differential equation of motion for a chain on a table, with a portion of the chain hanging out and sliding due to neglect of friction. The conversation includes suggestions such as assuming conservation of mechanical energy, setting the 0-level for gravitational potential, and using the equation of conservation of mechanical energy.
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I studied physics a long time ago and somebody just asked me this question. After trying for a while I couldn't work it out.

The situation is this: there's a chain of length $l$ on a table, of which a portion, of length $x_0$, is hanging out (enough so that when you stop holding it down, the chain starts sliding). Like in this drawing:

[PLAIN]http://b.imagehost.org/0596/chain.jpg

Friction is neglected.

How do you set up the differential equation of motion for the chain?

Thank you very much.
 
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1. Remember that neither internal forces nor normal forces do any work on the chain.
That is: mechanical energy is conserved.

2. Assume that the vertical part of the chain never swings

3. Remember that the total length of of the chain remains the same.

4. Assume constant density.

5. For simplification, set the 0-level for the gravitational potential at the table surface.

6. Remember that kinetic&potential energies for different parts of the chain add together linearly.

7. Set up the equation of conservation of mechanical energy, differentiate that equation.

8. Hint: The vertical line segment should increase exponentially in length as a function of time, as long as there is still some horizontal segment moving on the table.
 
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smayorgat said:
The situation is this: there's a chain of length $l$ on a table, of which a portion, of length $x_0$, is hanging out (enough so that when you stop holding it down, the chain starts sliding).

Friction is neglected.

A Google search with the terms "chain", "table" and "sliding" had as 3rd entry the following PDF-document:
https://wiki.brown.edu/confluence/download/attachments/2752884/Chain.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1198253619000"
 
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1. What is the equation of motion for a chain sliding down an edge?

The equation of motion for a chain sliding down an edge is given by the law of conservation of energy, which states that the total energy of the system (kinetic energy and potential energy) remains constant. This can be represented by the equation KE + PE = constant, where KE is the kinetic energy and PE is the potential energy.

2. How is the equation of motion affected by the length and mass of the chain?

The equation of motion is directly affected by the length and mass of the chain. The longer the chain, the more potential energy it has and the slower it will slide down the edge. Similarly, the heavier the chain, the more kinetic energy it has and the faster it will slide down the edge.

3. What are the assumptions made in the equation of motion for a chain sliding down an edge?

The equation of motion assumes that the chain is massless, the edge is frictionless, and there is no air resistance. It also assumes that the chain is sliding down the edge in a straight line and that the only force acting on it is gravity.

4. How does the angle of the edge affect the equation of motion?

The angle of the edge affects the equation of motion by changing the potential energy of the chain. The steeper the angle, the more potential energy the chain will have and the slower it will slide down the edge. Additionally, a horizontal edge will have no potential energy and the chain will slide down at its maximum speed.

5. Can the equation of motion be used to calculate the speed of the chain at any point along the edge?

Yes, the equation of motion can be used to calculate the speed of the chain at any point along the edge. As long as the initial conditions (such as the height and velocity of the chain at the top of the edge) are known, the equation can be solved to determine the speed of the chain at any point. However, this assumes that the assumptions made in the equation of motion are valid.

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