Equations and how to calculate moments and couples?

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The problem involves a flagpole supported by a cable, requiring the calculation of tension in the cable and the vertical force at the fixed end. The context includes concepts of moments, forces, and equilibrium in a physics setting.

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  • Participants discuss the need to draw a force diagram and consider the principles of moments and equilibrium. Questions arise about how to start with the force diagram and the relevant physics concepts involved.

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Some participants have provided guidance on drawing force diagrams and setting up equations based on the principles of moments. There is an ongoing exploration of the necessary concepts, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty due to missing a lesson on relevant topics, which may affect their understanding of the problem setup and solution approach.

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Homework Statement



A flagpole of mass 25kg and length 2.5m is held in a horizontal position by a cable at 30° from the end of the pole. The centre of gravity is 1.5m from the fixed end.

Determine:

1. the tension in the cable.

2. the vertical component of the force at the fixed end of the pole.

Homework Equations



moment = force x perpendicular distance from a stated point

The Attempt at a Solution



Well I was away for the lesson in which we covered moments, couples and torques etc and I really don't understand. I manage to calculate the length of the cable which I got to be 2.89m but I'm pretty sure this is irrelevent. Can somebody possibly point me in the right direction as where to start?
 
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Draw a force diagram. Since the pole isn't moving...

1) The moments sum to zero.
2) The vertical forces sum to zero.
3) The horizontal forces sum to zero.

So you can write simultaneous equations and hopefully solve them.

Have a go, post your diagram and initial equations.
 
I don't even know where to begin with a force diagram. Sorry to sound stupid but I was away for this lesson and have only just moved to the physics class. How would I go about drawing a force diagram? I can do the maths involved I just don't really understand the physics aspect of everything
 
Draw the horizontal flag pole and the cable from one end of the pole to the wall. Both the flag pole and the cable are fixed to the wall. So you now have a triangle with a 30 degree angle between the pole and the cable at the end that is not fixed to the wall.
Then convert the mass of the flagpole to its weight in Newtons. Mark on this weight acting at 1.5m from the fixed end (the wall) pointing downwards. This force is balanced by the vertical component of the tension in the cable. You can now set up the clockwise moment of the weight times its distance from the fixed pivot is equal and opposite to the anti clockwise moment of the vertical tension (your unknown) times its distance from the fixed pivot. This is the principle of moments for an object in equilibrium
 
So have you learn't about resolving forces into horizontal and vertical? Have you learned about centre of gravity? and have you learned about the principle of moments. These are the concepts you would need to solve this problem
 
If you only missed one lesson you should know something about force diagrams as this problem is unlikely to be set the first time force diagrams are introduced in class.
 

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