Equations of State in Modern Classical Physics (Thorne/Blandford)

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The discussion revolves around the parameter \( t \) introduced in the book "Modern Classical Physics" by Thorne/Blandford, specifically on page 127, where it relates to equations of state for a relativistically degenerate gas, such as hydrogen. Participants seek to clarify the mathematical and physical significance of this parameter, its relationship to Fermi energy and momentum, and its implications for particle density, mass-energy density, and pressure.

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  • One participant questions the meaning of the parameter \( t \) and its role in the equations of state, noting it is used to relate Fermi energy and momentum.
  • Another participant suggests that \( t \) is a convenience for expressing the relationship between Fermi energy and momentum, as they are not independent.
  • It is mentioned that the Fermi momentum is the momentum of a particle at the highest energy state at absolute zero temperature, but this understanding is not universally agreed upon.
  • A later reply elaborates on the mathematical framework of an ideal relativistic Fermi gas, discussing the phase-space distribution function and the energy-momentum tensor.
  • Participants provide equations and integrals related to the energy density and pressure of the gas, indicating a complex relationship involving hyperbolic functions.

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There is no consensus on the exact conceptual meaning of the Fermi momentum or the parameter \( t \). While some participants agree on the mathematical relationships, others express uncertainty about the physical interpretation.

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The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the physical significance of the parameters involved. The complexity of the equations and the use of hyperbolic functions introduce additional layers of understanding that remain open to interpretation.

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TL;DR Summary: Questions regarding the book "Modern Classical Physics" by Thorne/Blandford

Hello,
I'm going through this book and on pg. 127, regarding equations of state, there is a parameter, t (explicitly stated: "not to be confused with time"), that uses hyperbolic functions to relate the Fermi energy and the Fermi momentum (when multiplied with mass, in this case, of an electron). The parameter is just given as a parameter (used as t/4) with no information about what it represents. I am trying to understand what exactly this parameter represents. It is then used to describe particle density, mass-energy density, and pressure for hydrogen gas (relativistically degenerate).

I am not sure what this parameter is, both mathematically and physically. Any help is greatly appreciated.

I figured I'd just start a thread where people can ask questions related to the book.

Thanks!
 
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You will have a much higher chance to get replies if you ask in the physics section, where you type the relevant equation(s) in LaTeX.

Anyway, the parameter ##t## is introduced in equation (3.52a)
##\mathcal{E}_F \equiv m_e \cosh(t/4)## and ##p_F \equiv m_e \sinh(t/4)##

If you want to know what ##t## is in terms of ##\mathcal{E}_F## and ##p_F## just solve for ##t## in the definition above.
 
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RobertDSmeets said:
I am trying to understand what exactly this parameter represents.
It's just there for convenience's sake. Since the Fermi energy and the Fermi momentum are related to each other (they're not independent), one may want to use just one parameter instead. And since they are related in the same way hyperbolic functions are (3.50), it seems very attractive to express them like that.
 
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Yes ##\mathcal{E}_F{}^2 - p_F{}^2 = m_e{}^2## and then you use the hyperbolic identity ##\cosh^2(x) - \sinh^2(x) = 1##
 
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malawi_glenn said:
You will have a much higher chance to get replies if you ask in the physics section, where you type the relevant equation(s) in LaTeX.
Thread moved back to the Classical Physics forum (where it started out).
 
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Thanks for all the replies!

Sorry, but I am unfamiliar with LaTeX formatting.

regarding this:
Dragon27 said:
It's just there for convenience's sake. Since the Fermi energy and the Fermi momentum are related to each other (they're not independent), one may want to use just one parameter instead. And since they are related in the same way hyperbolic functions are (3.50), it seems very attractive to express them like that.
I'm not exactly sure what the Fermi momentum is, exactly. Eqn. 3.52a explains the mathematical relationship of it to the Fermi energy, but I'm not exactly sure what it is conceptually. Is it the momentum of the particle when the particle is at the highest energy state at 0K?

Though, I do think I have a better grasp on what t represents. Thanks!
 
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RobertDSmeets said:
Sorry, but I am unfamiliar with LaTeX formatting.
Please see the "LaTeX Guide" link below the Edit window. It's a requirement for posting math here at PF. Thanks. :smile:
 
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It's the description of an ideal relativistic Fermi gas at ##T=0##.

Generally one should note that the classical phase-space distribution function ##f(t,\vec{x},\vec{p}## for "on-shell" particles with ##(p^0)^2=E^2=m^2+\vec{p}^2## (using natural units with ##\hbar=c=1##) is a scalar field. The particle-number four-current is
$$J^{\mu}=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \frac{\mathrm{d}^3 p}{(2 \pi)^3} \frac{p^{\mu}}{E} f(t,\vec{x},\vec{p}),$$
which is a four-vector field as it must be. Note that everywhere ##p^0=E=+\sqrt{\vec{p}^2+m^2}##.

Similarly the energy-momentum tensor is given by
$$T^{\mu \nu}= \int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \frac{\mathrm{d}^3 p}{(2 \pi)^3} \frac{p^{\mu} p^{\nu}}{E} f(t,\vec{x},\vec{p}).$$
For the ideal Fermi gas at ##T=0## in global thermal equilibrium in the rest frame of the gas
$$f(t,\vec{x},\vec{p})=g \Theta(p_F-|\vec{p}),$$
where ##p_F## is the Fermi momentum, and ##g## is the degeneracy factor (e.g., due to spin, for which ##g=2s+1##). It's determined by the given density of the gas, i.e., using spherical coordinates for the integral over ##\vec{p}##,
$$n=J^0=\frac{4 \pi g}{(2 \pi)^3} \int_0^{p_F} \mathrm{d} p p^2 =\frac{4 \pi g}{3 (2 \pi)^3} p_F^3.$$
The total energy density is
$$\varepsilon=T^{00}=\frac{4 \pi g}{(2 \pi)^3} \int_{0}^{p_F} \mathrm{d} p p^2 \sqrt{p^2+m^2}.$$
Here it becomes clear that it is convenient to parametrize ##p## with hyperbolic functions. For some reason, I'm not clear about, Thorne chooses the convention
$$p=m \sinh(t/4) \; \Rightarrow \; E=\sqrt{m^2+p^2}=m \cosh(t/4).$$
Setting thus ##p_F=m \sinh(t_F/4)## you get
$$n=\frac{4 \pi g}{3} \frac{m^3}{2 \pi^3} \sinh(t_F/4).$$
Note that this is consistent with the textbook since for electrons ##g=2s+1=2## and if using explicitly ##\hbar##, you have to write ##m^3/(2 \pi \hbar)^3=m^3/h^3=1/\lambda_c^3##, where ##\lambda_c## is the Compton wavelength. Also since I use ##t## for the parameter for the ##p## integration, I used ##t_F## for the corresponding value, i.e., ##p_F=m \sinh(t_F/4)##. So where Thorne writes ##t## in my convention I've to write ##t_F##.

For the energy density then you get
$$\varepsilon=\frac{4 \pi g}{(2 \pi)^3} \frac{m^4}{4} \int_0^{t_F} \cosh^2(t/4) \sinh^2(t/4).$$
Now
$$\cosh(t/4) \sinh(t/4)=\frac{1}{4} [\exp(t/2)-\exp(-t/2)]$$
and thus
$$[\cosh(t/4) \sinh(t/4)]^2=\frac{1}{16} [\exp(t)+\exp(-t)-2],$$
and the integral gets
$$\varepsilon=\frac{4 \pi g}{(2 \pi)^3} \frac{m^4}{32} [\sinh(t_F)-t_F]=\frac{\pi g m}{8 \lambda_c^3}[\sinh(t_F)-t_F].$$
Finally the pressure is
$$P=T^{33}=\frac{2 \pi g}{(2 \pi)^3} \int_0^{p_F} \mathrm{d}p \int_0^{\pi} \mathrm{d} \vartheta p^2 \sin \vartheta \frac{p^2 \cos^2 \vartheta}{E}.$$
The ##\vartheta## integral is
$$\int_0^{\pi} \mathrm{d} \vartheta \sin \vartheta \cos^2 \vartheta=-\frac{1}{3} \cos^3 \vartheta|_0^{\pi} = \frac{2}{3}.$$
So we have
$$P=\frac{4 \pi g}{3 (2 \pi)^3} \int_0^{p_F} \mathrm{d} p \frac{p^4}{\sqrt{p^2+m^2}} = \frac{4 \pi g}{3 (2 \pi)^3} \int_0^{t_F} \frac{m^4}{4} \mathrm{d} t \sinh^4(t/4) =\frac{\pi g}{24 \lambda^3} m [3 t_F-8 \sinh(t_F/2) + \sinh(t_F)],$$
which also agrees with the textbook. For the integration I used Mathematica, but of course in principle you can evaluate all these integrals by writing the hyperbolic functions in terms of exponential functions ;-)).
 

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