Equilibrium of a compound object

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The discussion revolves around the equilibrium of a compound object, specifically a closed container consisting of a hollow hemispherical bowl and a circular lid. Participants are exploring the center of mass of the container and the implications of its geometry on the equilibrium conditions when a mass is attached to the lid.

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  • Participants are questioning the necessity of the line of action of the weight passing through the center O and its relationship to the center of mass and the point of contact with the surface. There is a focus on the geometric implications of the setup and the definitions involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the geometric relationships and clarifying the roles of different points in the system. There is a back-and-forth regarding the interpretation of the center of mass and the conditions for equilibrium, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants are navigating the assumptions about the geometry of the container and the definitions of center of mass in relation to the equilibrium conditions. The original poster's question highlights a potential misunderstanding of the geometric relationships involved.

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A closed container C consists of a thin uniform hollow hemispherical bowl of radius a, together with a lid. The lid is a thin uniform circular disc, also of radius a. The centre O of the disc coincides with the centre of the hemispherical bowl. The bowl and its lid are made of the same material.

(a) Show that the centre of mass of C is at a distance from O.

The container C has mass M. A particle of mass M is attached to the container at a point P on the circumference of the lid. The container is then placed with a point of its curved surface in contact with a horizontal plane. The container rests in equilibrium with P, O and the point of contact in the same vertical plane.

(b) Find, to the nearest degree, the angle made by the line PO with the horizontal.

The solution to part b is shown below:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3603/39197560.th.jpg

My question is, the solution has the line of action of the weight passing through O - why does this have to be the case; surely this assumes that O to the point of contact with the surface below is a radius on which the combined centre of mass lies - I don't see why this is essential. Thanks.

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Hi nokia8650! :smile:
nokia8650 said:
A closed container C consists of a thin uniform hollow hemispherical bowl

My question is, the solution has the line of action of the weight passing through O - why does this have to be the case

Because that's what balancing is …

the weight must go through both the c.o.m. and the point of contact.

But the c.o.m lies on a radius, and that radius must go through the point of contact, because of the geometry. :wink:
 
Thanks for the reply. Surely O - is not the point of contact - O is the centre of the upper disc.

Thanks
 
nokia8650 said:
Thanks for the reply. Surely O - is not the point of contact - O is the centre of the upper disc.

Yes, O lies on every radius …

if C is the c.o.m and P is the point of contact, then the weight must go along the line CP,

and CP must be a radius because of the geometry,

and so O also lies on CP, and the weight goes through O. :smile:
 

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