Equivalent Capacitance Between X and Y in this capacitor circuit

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The discussion focuses on determining the equivalent capacitance between points X and Y in complex capacitor circuits. Key strategies include identifying series and parallel connections, as well as employing techniques such as star-delta reduction and symmetry arguments. Participants emphasize the importance of redrawing schematics to simplify the analysis and ensure accurate node identification. The consensus is that there is no single algorithm for all circuits; the approach must be tailored to the specific configuration presented.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of series and parallel capacitor connections
  • Familiarity with network theorems such as Thevenin's and Norton's
  • Knowledge of star-delta transformation techniques
  • Ability to redraw and simplify circuit schematics
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  • Study the application of Thevenin's theorem in capacitor networks
  • Learn about star-delta transformations in electrical circuits
  • Explore symmetry arguments in circuit analysis
  • Practice redrawing complex circuits for simplification
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Electrical engineering students, circuit designers, and professionals involved in analyzing and simplifying capacitor networks will benefit from this discussion.

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Homework Statement
Four capacitors are connected as shown in the figure below. Calculate the equivalent Capacitance between X and Y.
Relevant Equations
##C_{eq} = C_1 + C_2 + ... + C_n## if they are in parallel
## \frac{1}{C_{eq}} = \frac{1}{C_1} + \frac{1}{C_2} + ... + \frac{1}{C_n}## if they are in series
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This is the problem.

If someone asks you this question, how would you solve it?

I am finding it really tough to solve when the circuit gets a bit complex. It would be nice if you share what exactly you'll do to solve complex circuits such as this (the algorithm).
 
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Look for series-parallel connections.
Hint: If 'n' capacitors are electrically connected between the same two points, they are electrically in parallel.
 
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cnh1995 said:
Look for series-parallel connections.
Hint: If 'n' capacitors are electrically connected between the same two points, they are electrically in parallel.
What if the wires without any components also have some capacitors? Then there will be no two capacitors having the same points.
Like this one:
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Kaushik said:
What if the wires without any components also have some capacitors?
There is no single "fixed" algorithm to analyse such circuits. In your original circuit, series-parallel reduction works. In some other circuit, you may need to use different techniques (separately/together) like star-delta reduction, symmetry arguments, some network theorems etc. It all depends on the given circuit.

Is the question in your OP answered?
 
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cnh1995 said:
Is the question in your OP answered?
Yes.
 
Personally, the first thing I would do is redraw the schematic in a simpler topology. Name all of the nodes so you can check your work. This is a one of a class of network analysis problems that look pretty simple in one presentation and really confusing when drawn otherwise.

While it may require some intuition to make it simple on your first try, there is no reason why you can't just quickly sketch a few variants to see which makes more sense to you.
 
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The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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