Establishing Identities - Possible Misprint on Worksheet

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around two mathematical problems involving trigonometric identities that a participant is attempting to establish. The problems include potential typographical errors in the worksheet and the correctness of the identities derived from standard trigonometric identities and operations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the first problem, particularly regarding the presence of two 'x's in the expression and suggests it might be a misprint.
  • Another participant proposes that the extra 'x' in the first problem is indeed a typo and provides a breakdown of the identity using the sine addition formula.
  • A different participant disagrees with the outcome of the second identity and provides an alternative derivation, leading to a different expression than what was expected.
  • One participant thanks another for correcting the typo in the first problem, which clarified their understanding, but raises concerns about the second expression's outcome compared to what is stated on the worksheet.
  • Another participant reiterates their concern about the second expression, questioning whether the discrepancy is due to a typo or a misunderstanding on their part.
  • One participant suggests checking the identities by substituting random angles for alpha and beta to verify the results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the second identity, with some believing there may be a typo in the worksheet while others challenge the derived expressions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the second identity.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the identities are to be established using standard trigonometric identities, but there is uncertainty regarding the correctness of the worksheet and the derived expressions.

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Hey guys, I'm just going over my work files for this week and I've noticed 2 problems that have fooled me, and seem a little bizarre for my current mathematical level. They do involve trig, and a part of me is hoping for a misprint on the sheet, but I'm more sure that it's my own inadequacies that are hurting me here.

The first problem is listed as follows:

sin((\pi/4) + x) = sqrt2/2(cosxx +sinx)

My objective there is to "Establish the Identity", and the 2 'x's right next to each other on the right side of the equal sign is confusing to me.

Secondly:

cos(\alpha+\beta)/cos\alphacos\beta = cot\beta - tan\alpha

That second problem is also under the objective "Establish the Identity". For problem 2, I feel like I've solved it as far as I can, but the answer I keep leading back to once I've gone through standard replacement procedures for identity establishment I keep getting:

cos(\alpha + \beta)/cos/alphacos\beta = (cos\beta - sin\alpha)/sin\betacos\alpha

As you guys might have guessed, our previous lesson was over the sum and difference identities and using them to simplify expressions. Any help would be incredible.

Thank you guys.
 
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extra x must be a typo ...

$$\sin \left(\frac{\pi}{4} + x\right) =$$

$$\sin \left(\frac{\pi}{4}\right) \cos{x} + \cos\left(\frac{\pi}{4}\right) \sin{x} =$$

$$\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} \cos{x} + \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} \sin{x} =$$

$$\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} \left(\cos{x}+\sin{x}\right)$$
 
I disagree with the outcome of your 2nd identity ...

$$\frac{\cos(\alpha+\beta)}{\cos{\alpha}\cos{\beta}} =$$

$$\frac{\cos{\alpha}\cos{\beta}-\sin{\alpha}\sin{\beta}}{\cos{\alpha}\cos{\beta}} =$$

$$\frac{\cos{\alpha}\cos{\beta}}{\cos{\alpha}\cos{\beta}}-\frac{\sin{\alpha}\sin{\beta}}{\cos{\alpha}\cos{\beta}} =$$

$$1 - \tan{\alpha}\tan{\beta} =$$

$$\cot{\beta}\tan{\beta} - \tan{\alpha}\tan{\beta} =$$

$$\tan{\beta}(\cot{\beta} - \tan{\alpha})$$
 
Thank you so much!

Correcting the typo in the first problem made everything fall perfectly into place.

You did an incredible job and I thank you for it.

My only concern was on the second expression. Doing the computation we're left with:

tanB(cotB - tanA)

And, I've noticed on my original worksheet that the outcome we're "supposed" to get is simply:

CotB - TanA (without the term on the outside of the parentheses)

Is this another typo? Or another of my delusions?
 
Dundee3 said:
My only concern was on the second expression. Doing the computation we're left with:

tanB(cotB - tanA)

And, I've noticed on my original worksheet that the outcome we're "supposed" to get is simply:

CotB - TanA (without the term on the outside of the parentheses)

Is this another typo? Or another of my delusions?

as I stated, I disagree with what's on the WS ... if my work has an error (and it may), then one of the other helpers will point it out.
 
you can check both ... pick two random angles for alpha & beta whose cosine is not zero.
 
Thank you so much =) Is there a way I can repay you?
 
Dundee3 said:
Thank you so much =) Is there a way I can repay you?

$ 10 million would be nice (just kidding) ... just pay it forward to someone else.
 
skeeter said:
$ 10 million would be nice (just kidding) ... just pay it forward to someone else.
skeeter old pal. You really don't understand the whole reward thing, do you?

Take a chess board. Place one penny on the first square, two pennies on the next, four pennies on the next, 8, 16, etc. until the whole board is full. All you want is all the money on the board. Say you will accept payment plans for merely 0.01% yearly. His scions will take the remainder of the loan and pay it to your scions for however many generations it will take. :)

That's my standard bribe for changing grades.

-Dan
 
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I wouldn't live long enough to spend it all ... but I'd have a hell of a lot of fun trying. ;)
 

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