Estimate Time for Air Molecule Movement at STP

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The discussion revolves around estimating the time it takes for an air molecule to move into the region occupied by another molecule at standard temperature and pressure (STP). The problem involves understanding molecular separation and speed, specifically focusing on nitrogen molecules.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss how to find the average separation of air molecules at STP and whether to consider only nitrogen molecules. One participant attempts to calculate the average speed of nitrogen molecules and seeks clarification on the next steps after finding the average distance between molecules.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided helpful guidance regarding the calculation of average separation and the logic behind the approach. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between molecular speed, distance, and time, with no explicit consensus reached on the final calculations.

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Participants are working within the constraints of standard homework expectations, focusing on nitrogen as the primary component of air and discussing the implications of ignoring other gases like oxygen.

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Homework Statement


From the average separation between air molecules at STP, and their mean speed, estimate how long it would take one molecule to move into the region occupied by another. Assume that air consists mainly of nitrogen molecules.


Homework Equations


v(rms)=sq root(3kT/m)
molecular mass of nitrogen is 28u


The Attempt at a Solution


Do i just ignore oxygen and just work on nitrogen molecules?
I don't know how to find the average separation of air molecules at STP.
the average speed of a nitrogen molecule works out to be:
v=sq root([(3)(1.38x10^-23)(273)]/4.6x10^-26
v=462m/s
what should i do next?
 
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aal0315 said:
I don't know how to find the average separation of air molecules at STP.

Imagine for a moment all molecules don't move and each sits in the center of its own cube. What is volume of this cube? What is a distance to each of the neighbors?

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ok, so i read in my course notes that the average distance between nitrogen molecules at STP is 3.34x10^-9m because one mole of gas at STP contains 6.02x10^23 molecules and the total volume is 22.4L. So you divide the volume by the number of molecules to get the distance right? and then to get the time it takes to move, you just multiple the velocity by the distance?
so 462m/s x 3.34x10^-9 = 1.54x10^-6 seconds
does this make sense?
 
Logic looks OK to me.

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thank you for the help
 

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