Evaluating a limit using L'Hopital

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of a function defined as Q(x) = x^k + ∑(a_n x^n) as x approaches infinity, specifically focusing on the expression lim(x→∞)(Q(x)^(1/k) - x). The subject area pertains to limits and the application of L'Hôpital's rule in calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various approaches to simplify the limit expression, including factoring terms and considering the behavior of functions as x approaches infinity. There is a mention of using L'Hôpital's rule, but some express concern about the complexity of differentiation involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering different strategies for evaluating the limit. Some suggest alternative methods that do not require differentiation, indicating a productive exploration of the problem. There is no explicit consensus on a single approach yet.

Contextual Notes

One participant notes that the problem hint suggested using L'Hôpital's rule, which may have influenced their initial approach to the limit evaluation.

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Homework Statement


ForQ(x) = x^k + \sum_{n=0}^{k-1} a_n x^n

Find \lim_{x→∞}\left({Q(x)^{\frac{1}{k}} - x}\right)


Homework Equations


L'Hopital


The Attempt at a Solution


Q(x) - x^k = \sum_{n=0}^{k-1} a_n x^n
Q(x) - x^k = (Q(x)^{\frac{1}{k}})^k - x^k = \left(Q(x)^{\frac{1}{k}} - x\right)\left([Q(x)^{\frac{1}{k}}]^{k-1} + x[Q(x)^{\frac{1}{k}}]^{k-2} + ... + x^{k-2}Q(x)^{\frac{1}{k}} + x^{k-1} \right)

Q(x)^{\frac{1}{k}} - x = \frac{Q(x) - x^k}{[Q(x)^{\frac{1}{k}}]^{k-1} + x[Q(x)^{\frac{1}{k}}]^{k-2} + ... + x^{k-2}Q(x)^{\frac{1}{k}} + x^{k-1}}

Then \lim_{x→∞}{\left(Q(x)^{\frac{1}{k}} - x\right)} = \lim_{x→∞}\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}, and if I can show \lim_{x→∞}g(x) = ∞, I can use L'Hopital.

Am I headed in the right direction? I can see this either working out nicely after a lot of work or being an incredible waste of time. Am I overlooking a simpler way to evaluate this limit?
 
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Try to factor things as follows:

x^k-Q(x)=x^{k-1}\left(a_{k-1}+\frac{a_{k-2}}{x}+...+\frac{a_0}{x^{k-1}}\right)

and

(Q(x)^\frac{1}{k})^{k-1}=x^{k-1}(\sqrt[k]{1+\frac{a_{k-1}}{x}+\frac{a_{k-2}}{x^2}+...+\frac{a_0}{x^{k}}})^{k-1}

Try to factor all terms like that and use that things like \frac{1}{x^p}\rightarrow 0.
 
Okay, so that will help me show that the limit of the denominator is ∞, but then taking the derivative is going to be a huge pain...
 
No, you don't need to differentiate anything!

Do something like this

\begin{align}
\lim_{x\rightarrow +\infty}{\frac{x^3+x}{(\sqrt{x^2+x+1})^3}}
&= \lim_{x\rightarrow +\infty} {\frac{ x^3(1+\frac{1}{x^2}) }{ x^3(\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x}+\frac{1}{x^2}})^3} }\\
&= \lim_{x\rightarrow +\infty} {\frac{ 1+\frac{1}{x^2} }{(\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x}+\frac{1}{x^2}})^3} }\\
&= 1
\end{align}
 
Oh, okay. The problem hint suggested I use L'Hopital, so I guess I was thinking "in the box" when it came to evaluating the limit.

Thanks for the suggestions!
 

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