Evaluating Limit: Help with First Step

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit as \( x \) approaches 0 for the expression \(\lim_{x\to0}\left(\frac{1}{x^{2}}-\frac{1}{x\sin x}\right)\). Participants express their struggles with the problem, particularly in determining the first step in the evaluation process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss combining the fractions and the resulting indeterminate form of 0/0. There are mentions of using L'Hôpital's rule and the number of iterations required. Some suggest rewriting the expression in different forms to clarify the limit evaluation process. Questions arise about the correctness of certain algebraic manipulations and the interpretation of the limit.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various approaches to the problem, with some participants providing alternative forms of the expression and discussing the application of L'Hôpital's rule. There is no clear consensus on the best method, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of the homework context, including the inability to use L'Hôpital's rule in certain interpretations and the original poster's experience during an exam. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the limit evaluation, particularly in the context of a final exam setting.

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Homework Statement



I had an exam last night and I was stuck on this problem.
I went home where I had more time (and resources) and still can't figure it out, and I won't get my exam back (it was a final).

[itex]\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x^{2}}-\frac{1}{xsinx}[/itex]

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I have tried combining into one fraction, splitting up into two separate limits, I can't use L'Hopital's as it is 1/inf.
What am I missing? The rest of the exam was somewhat easy, but I didn't even know where to start!
Can someone help me work though it? I think I just need help with a first step.
Thanks!
 
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If you combine them into one fraction, then it's 0/0 right? Only problem is that you have to use L'Hopital 3 times to get the result.
 
Hello crybllrd write your expression in the following form:

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow0}-\frac{x^{2}sin(x)-xsin(x)^{2}}{x^{3}sin(x)^{2}}[/tex]

I think it should be clear from here on.
 
You can combine ito one fraction and then apply l'hospital's repeatedly.

Or you can do a series expansion.
 
mtayab1994 said:
Hello crybllrd write your expression in the following form:

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow0}-\frac{x^{2}sin(x)-xsin(x)^{2}}{x^{3}sin(x)^{2}}[/tex]

I think it should be clear from here on.

How did you get the sin(x)2 in the denominator? If I multiply x2by xsin(x) I get x3sin(x).
 
clamtrox said:
If you combine them into one fraction, then it's 0/0 right? Only problem is that you have to use L'Hopital 3 times to get the result.

I used l'hopital's rule 6 times, not 3 times.
 
crybllrd said:
How did you get the sin(x)2 in the denominator? If I multiply x2by xsin(x) I get x3sin(x).
Why would you do that? The "least common denominator" is [itex]x^2sin(x)[/itex]. Of course, you also do not get "[itex]x^2sin^2(x)[/tex]"!<br /> <br /> [tex]\frac{1}{x^2}- \frac{1}{x sin(x)}= \frac{sin(x)}{x^2 sin(x)}- \frac{x}{x^2 sin(x)}[/tex]<br /> [tex]= \frac{sin(x)- x^2}{x^2 sin(x)}[/tex]<br /> <br /> Now, you can use L'Hopital's rule on that, just once. Differentiating both numerator and denomimator separately you get<br /> [tex]\frac{cos(x)- 2x}{2x sin(x)+ x^2cos(x)}[/tex].<br /> <br /> You do NOT get "1/infinity".[/itex]
 
Ah, ok, I got -1/6.
I don't remember why exactly I didn't get a good answer on the exam, but I think I was on like my 6th L'Hopital iteration and wasn't willing to spend any more time on a 4 point problem.
Thanks guys, now I can rest easy this summer, as my brain is completely fried now!
 
Hi. As already other colleagues have stated,

[itex]\lim_{x\to0}[\frac{1}{x^{2}}-\frac{1}{xsinx}][/itex]

[itex]=\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x^{2}}[ 1 - \frac{x}{sinx}][/itex]

[itex]=\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x^{2}}[ 1 - \frac{1}{1 - \frac{x^{2}}{3!} + ...} ][/itex]

[itex]=\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x^{2}}[ 1 - 1 - \frac{x^{2}}{3!} + ...][/itex]
 

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