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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit as x approaches 0 for the expression \(\frac {\sqrt {x+1}-1} {x}\). Participants are exploring the implications of manipulating this expression, particularly focusing on the algebraic steps involved in simplifying the limit.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the process of rationalizing the numerator by multiplying by the conjugate and question how the numerator simplifies to x. There are inquiries about the nature of the simplification and whether it always results in a specific form. Some participants also consider alternative methods such as Taylor series and L'Hôpital's Rule for evaluating the limit.

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The discussion is active with multiple participants contributing different perspectives and methods. Some have provided clarifications on LaTeX formatting, while others have suggested additional approaches to tackle the limit problem. There is a recognition of the need for deeper understanding rather than simply reaching a solution.

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Participants express difficulty in formatting their equations correctly in LaTeX, which may affect their ability to communicate their reasoning clearly. There is also an acknowledgment that the limit should not yield a fraction, prompting further exploration of the underlying assumptions and methods used.

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Homework Statement


##\frac {lim} {x→0} \frac {\sqrt {x+1}-1} {x}##

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The Attempt at a Solution


I know the limit as x approaches 0 isn't supposed to be a fraction but I can't get the x approaches 0 under the lim.

I couldn't get some of this typed out in latex, it just wouldn't work for me. But here's the rest of the work. The square root is only over the x+1's.


##\frac {lim} {x→0} \frac {\sqrt {x+1}-1} {x}##

##\frac {lim} {x→0} \frac {(√x+1 -1)(√x+1 +1)} {x(√x+1 +1)}##

##\frac {lim} {x→0} \frac {x} {x(√x+1 +1)}##

##=\frac {1} {√1+1}##

=0.5

I have a few questions. From step 2 to step 3 the numerator gets reduced only to x. I don't know how.

When multiplying the numerator by it's conjugate, does it always result in the numerator equaling 1?

For step 4, does x just get factored out of the denominator and the numerator of x just gets changed to 1?
 
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Specter said:

Homework Statement


##\frac {lim} {x→0} \frac {\sqrt {x+1}-1} {x}##

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I know the limit as x approaches 0 isn't supposed to be a fraction but I can't get the x approaches 0 under the lim.

I couldn't get some of this typed out in latex, it just wouldn't work for me. But here's the rest of the work. The square root is only over the x+1's.##\frac {lim} {x→0} \frac {\sqrt {x+1}-1} {x}##

##\frac {lim} {x→0} \frac {(√x+1 -1)(√x+1 +1)} {x(√x+1 +1)}##

##\frac {lim} {x→0} \frac {x} {x(√x+1 +1)}##

##=\frac {1} {√1+1}##

=0.5

I have a few questions. From step 2 to step 3 the numerator gets reduced only to x. I don't know how.
Do you know the formula ##(a-b)\cdot (a+b) =a^2-b^2\,?## Apply it to ##a=\sqrt{x+1}## and ##b=1##.
When multiplying the numerator by it's conjugate, does it always result in the numerator equaling 1?
a.) No. b) What do you mean by ##1##? It resulted in an ##x## in this case. c) Try different values of ##a,b## in the formula above.
For step 4, does x just get factored out of the denominator and the numerator...
Yes.
... of or x just gets changed to 1?
No.
 
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For step 4 its like having ##\frac{x}{xf(x)}## isn't that equal to ##\frac{1}{f(x)}##? The x's get simplified from the numerator and the denominator and leave just 1 behind, its like having ##\frac{x}{x}## which is 1.

So it is not x changed to 1, it is just ##\frac{x}{x}## which gets changed to its equal which is 1.
 
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Specter said:

Homework Statement


##\frac {lim} {x→0} \frac {\sqrt {x+1}-1} {x}##I know the limit as x approaches 0 isn't supposed to be a fraction but I can't get the x approaches 0 under the lim.

I couldn't get some of this typed out in latex, it just wouldn't work for me. But here's the rest of the work. The square root is only over the x+1's.
As regards the LaTeX ...

To get the limit to display correctly use:
##\lim_{x \to 0} \frac {\sqrt {x+1}-1} {x} ## which gives ##\lim_{x \to 0} \frac {\sqrt {x+1}-1} {x} ##

OR use \displaystyle to improve readability.

##\displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0} \frac {\sqrt {x+1}-1} {x} ## which gives ##\displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0} \frac {\sqrt {x+1}-1} {x} ##
 
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If you aren't happy with the result, check by doing it another way. Try expanding (1+x)1/2 as a Taylor series.
 
@Specter :
Rather than simply marking the thread as being solved, please respond to the replies to the thread.

It's nice that you "Like" the responses of @Delta2 and @fresh_42 , but replies showing that you actually understand their posts would be a much better demonstration of showing that you appreciate the effort they put forth to respond to your questions.
 
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Specter said:

Homework Statement


##\frac {lim} {x→0} \frac {\sqrt {x+1}-1} {x}##
I know the limit as x approaches 0 isn't supposed to be a fraction but I can't get the x approaches 0 under the lim.

I couldn't get some of this typed out in latex, it just wouldn't work for me. But here's the rest of the work. The square root is only over the x+1's.

Another method you may want to try is L'Hopital's Rule which is an efficient method of calculating some of these limits questions when you have fractions...

l'hospital's Rule states that
$$ \displaystyle \lim_{x \to c} \frac {f(x)} {g(x)} = \displaystyle \lim_{x \to c} \frac {f^n(x)} {g^n(x)} $$

where n is the nth derivative...

so you could differentiate the numerator and denominator independently and form the new fraction. Then you can plug zero into get the answer. Sometimes you may have to differentiate again as well.

Hope that is of some help. Just wanted to provide another way of tackling these problems.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Do you know the formula ##(a-b)\cdot (a+b) =a^2-b^2\,?## Apply it to ##a=\sqrt{x+1}## and ##b=1##.

a.) No. b) What do you mean by ##1##? It resulted in an ##x## in this case. c) Try different values of ##a,b## in the formula above.

Yes.No.
Thank you, this helped me make some sense of it.
 
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