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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit $$\lim_{x\to 0^+}(1-\cos (\sqrt x))^{\sin(x)}$$, which falls under the subject area of calculus, specifically limits and indeterminate forms.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various attempts to evaluate the limit, including the use of logarithmic transformations and L'Hôpital's rule. Some express concern about the complexity of the resulting expressions and the potential for remaining in intermediate forms.

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The discussion is ongoing, with multiple participants offering different strategies and insights. Some suggest using trigonometric identities or Taylor series expansions, while others emphasize the need for careful differentiation. There is no explicit consensus on a single approach, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants mention the complexity of the limit and the potential need for advanced techniques, indicating that some may not have covered certain topics in their coursework yet.

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Homework Statement
$$\lim_{x\to 0^+}(1-\cos (\sqrt x))^{\sin(x)}$$
Relevant Equations
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I tried taking e^ln but to no avail. Please help! Thanks.

My attempt:
$$\lim_{x\to 0^+}(1-\cos (\sqrt x))^{\sin(x)}$$
$$\lim_{x\to 0^+}e^{\ln (1-\cos\sqrt x)^{\sin x}}$$
$$\lim_{x\to 0^+}e^{{\sin x}\ln (1-\cos\sqrt x)}$$
$$\lim_{x\to 0^+}\exp(\frac{\ln (1-\cos\sqrt x)}{1/\sin x})$$
If I apply Lhospital's rule to this limit, the result will be quite complicated and will remain in intermediate form. I also reached wolfram alpha for help, yet the step by step solution is terse.
 
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Leo Liu said:
Homework Statement:: $$\lim_{x\to 0^+}(1-\cos (\sqrt x))^{\sin(x)}$$
Relevant Equations:: .

I tried taking e^ln but to no avail. Please help! Thanks.

My attempt:
$$\lim_{x\to 0^+}(1-\cos (\sqrt x))^{\sin(x)}$$
$$\lim_{x\to 0^+}e^{\ln (1-\cos\sqrt x)^{\sin x}}$$
$$\lim_{x\to 0^+}e^{{\sin x}\ln (1-\cos\sqrt x)}$$
$$\lim_{x\to 0^+}\exp(\frac{\ln (1-\cos\sqrt x)}{1/\sin x})$$
If I apply Lhospital's rule to this limit, the result will be quite complicated and will remain in intermediate form. I also reached wolfram alpha for help, yet the step by step solution is terse.
Just keep going with l'Hopital, complicated or not.

You don't need the exponential.
 
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You could use the trig identity ##\sin^2 \frac \theta 2 = \frac{1-\cos \theta}{2}## to simplify the numerator before differentiating.
 
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PeroK said:
Just keep going with l'Hopital, complicated or not.

You don't need the exponential.
I am lazy so I let MMA do the job for me. Here is what I got after differentiating the fraction twice:
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Although the graph verifies that the limit is indeed 0 as x approaches 0 from right side, it seems that Num2/Den2 is still in intermediate form. I doubt that we will obtain an answer by blindly differentiating the fraction. Thanks anyway.
 
Do you know what the Taylor series for sine and cosine are, or have you not reached that part in your class yet?
 
After the first round of differentiation, you should be able to show that you end up with
$$-\frac 14 \cdot \frac{\sin \sqrt x}{\sqrt x} \cdot \frac{\sin x}{\sin \frac{\sqrt x}2} \cdot \frac{\tan x}{\sin \frac{\sqrt x}2}.$$ Calculate the limit of each factor.
 
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vela said:
After the first round of differentiation, you should be able to show that you end up with
$$-\frac 14 \cdot \frac{\sin \sqrt x}{\sqrt x} \cdot \frac{\sin x}{\sin \frac{\sqrt x}2} \cdot \frac{\tan x}{\sin \frac{\sqrt x}2}.$$ Calculate the limit of each factor.
This is helpful. Thank you. I didn't expect this question could be so complex.
 
By Taylor expansion it is
\lim_{x \rightarrow +0} (\frac{x}{2}+o(x^2))^{x+o(x^3)}=\lim_{x \rightarrow +0} x^x=1-0
 
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Someone on reddit sent me his work:
1613320984606.png

So the key is to use the substitution ##x=t^2## to simplify the expression and to notice ##\lim_{t\to 0} 2t/\sin t=2## before applying the product rule of limit.
Credit to @vladislavsrb
 

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