Even Functions, Symmetry, Inverse Functions

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The discussion revolves around the properties of even functions, specifically their symmetry about the y-axis and implications for the coefficients of a polynomial function. Participants explore the conditions under which certain coefficients must be zero and the implications of the function's behavior at infinity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the function is an even function, which implies that coefficients of terms with odd exponents must be zero, leading to the conclusion that b and d are zero.
  • It is noted that for the function to finish downwards, the leading coefficient a must be less than zero.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the y-intercept being negative, suggesting that e must also be less than zero.
  • There is a claim that for the function to be positive in certain intervals, the coefficient c must be greater than zero.
  • Some participants express confusion about the reasoning behind the values of b, d, and c, indicating a lack of understanding of the symmetry and its implications.
  • One participant questions the existence of an equation for symmetry about the x-axis, leading to a clarification that functions cannot be symmetric about the x-axis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the properties of even functions and the implications for coefficients, but there is confusion and lack of consensus regarding the specific values and reasoning for coefficients b, d, and c. Additionally, there is a debate about the concept of symmetry about the x-axis.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the reasoning behind the coefficients, indicating that assumptions may be missing or definitions may need clarification. The discussion does not resolve the confusion surrounding the values of b, d, and c.

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Can someone explain why the answer is D

a < 0 because it finishes downwards
e < O because the y-intercept is in the negatives.
b, & d = zero (but i don't get this)
c is supposedly > 0 (nor do i get this)

According to the solutions the graph is an even function, and symmetrical about the y-axis/x-axis. I haven't studied this, can someone please explain for values b,d,c.
 

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Looking at the graph, we can see it is reflected across the $y$-axis, meaning it is an even function, which means:

$$y(-x)=y(x)$$

This means the coefficients of the terms having an odd exponent on $x$ must be zero, i.e.:

$$b=d=0$$

This leaves us with:

$$y(x)=ax^4+cx^2+e$$

Now, we see that:

$$y(0)=e<0$$

We also see that as $x\to\pm\infty$ we have $$y(x)\to-\infty$$. This means the dominant term, that is, $ax^4\to-\infty$ which implies $a<0$. But in order to have $y(x)>0$ on the two shown intervals, we must have $0<c$.
 
is there an equation for symmetry in x-axis?
 
confusedatmath said:
is there an equation for symmetry in x-axis?

A function, by definition, cannot be symmetric across the $x$-axis. For any given input, a function can only have one output.
 
Hello, confusedatmath!

Can someone explain why the answer is D

a < 0 because it finishes downwards
e < O because the y-intercept is in the negatives.
b, & d = zero (but i don't get this)
c is supposedly > 0 (nor do i get this)
We have: .y \:=\:ax^4 + bx^3 + cx^2 + dx + e

The graph is symmetric to the y-axis.

On the right, we have two x-intercepts, p and q.
On the left, we have two x-intercepts, \text{-}p and \text{-}q.

The function has the form:
. . (x-p)(x+p)(x-q)(x+q) \:=\:x^4 - (p^2+q^2)x^2 + p^2q^2

Since a is negative, we have:
. . y \:=\:-\left[x^4-(p^2+q^2)x^2 + p^2q^2\right]
. . y \:=\:-x^4 + (p^2+q^2)x^2 - p^2q^2\begin{array}{cc}\text{Therefore:} &amp; a\text{ neg.} \\ &amp; b = 0 \\ &amp; c\text{ pos.} \\ &amp; d = 0 \\ &amp; e\text{ neg.} \end{array}
 
wow mindblown. :O that was such a cool way of solving it! THANK YOU (Inlove)
 
confusedatmath said:
is there an equation for symmetry in x-axis?
A non-function relation such as x^2+ y^2= 1 of x^2+ (y- 2)^2= 1, may be "symmetric about the x-axis". Just as the test for "symmetry about the y-axis" is f(x)= f(-x) (so that replacing x with -x does not change the equation) so the test for "symmetry about the x-axis" is that replacing y with -y does not change the equation.

Because (-a)^2= a^2, in the first example above, x^2+ (-y)^2= x^2+ y^2= 1, the same as the original equation, so that is "symmetric about the x-axis". (Its graph is a circle about the origin.)

The second would give x^2+ (-y- 2)^2= x^2+ (-(y+ 1))^2= x^2+ (y+1)^2= 1 which is NOT the same as the original. The graph of x^2+ (y- 2)^2= 1 is a circle with center at (0, 2) so is symmetric about y= 2, NOT y= 0 which is the x-axis.
 

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