Example of differentiable manifold of class C^1

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The discussion revolves around the classification of the set of points M in ℝ² defined by (t, |t|²) as a differentiable manifold of class C¹ but not C². Participants explore the requirements for covering the manifold with charts and the implications of using different functions to define the manifold's structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the set M can be covered by an atlas of charts, particularly focusing on the point (0,0).
  • One participant suggests using three charts to cover M, proposing specific mappings for positive, negative, and near-zero values of t.
  • A later reply clarifies the definition of M, correcting the initial misunderstanding regarding the equation of the curve.
  • Another participant proposes using a C¹ function that is not C² to explore the existence of a manifold with specific transition functions, raising the idea of constructing manifolds from a collection of functions.
  • One participant acknowledges the similarity between their proposed function and the one suggested by another, discussing the transition maps between the charts and their implications for the manifold's differentiability class.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the coverage of the manifold and the correctness of the proposed charts. There is no consensus on the best approach to demonstrate that M is a C¹-differentiable manifold but not C².

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of transition maps in establishing the manifold structure, but there are unresolved questions about the specific properties of these maps and their implications for differentiability.

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Hello,

I read from several sources the statement that the set of points M[itex]\in[/itex]ℝ2 given by [itex](t, \, |t|^2)[/itex] is an example of differentiable manifold of class C1 but not C2.

Is that true?
To be honest, that statement does not convince me completely, because in order for M to be a manifold, we should be able to find an atlas of charts [itex]x_i:U_i \rightarrow M[/itex] such that all the points of M are covered by the atlas.
So how do we cover the point (0,0) ?

Do we need to use 3 charts as follows?

[tex]x_1(t) = (t,\, t^2) \quad \, t\in(0,+\infty)[/tex]
[tex]x_2(t) = (t,\, -t^2) \quad \, t\in(-\infty, 0)[/tex]
[tex]x_3(t) = (t,t^2) \quad \, t\in(-1,1)[/tex]
 
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mnb96 said:
Hello,

I read from several sources the statement that the set of points M[itex]\in[/itex]ℝ2 given by [itex](t, \, |t|^2)[/itex] is an example of differentiable manifold of class C1 but not C2.

Is that true?
To be honest, that statement does not convince me completely, because in order for M to be a manifold, we should be able to find an atlas of charts [itex]x_i:U_i \rightarrow M[/itex] such that all the points of M are covered by the atlas.
So how do we cover the point (0,0) ?

Do we need to use 3 charts as follows?

[tex]x_1(t) = (t,\, t^2) \quad \, t\in(0,+\infty)[/tex]
[tex]x_2(t) = (t,\, -t^2) \quad \, t\in(-\infty, 0)[/tex]
[tex]x_3(t) = (t,t^2) \quad \, t\in(-1,1)[/tex]
I don't understand what you're doing. For real numbers ##t##, ##|t|^2=t^2##, right?
 
Sorry, I reported the wrong equation for the curve . What I meant was that the points of M are given by [itex](t, \, \mathrm{sign}(t)t^2)[/itex]
 
Why don't you use a ##C^1## function f that is not ##C^2## and try to find a manifold whose transition functions ae given by f ?

Only one I can think of now is $$f(x)= \frac {-x^2}{2}; x\leq 0$$ and

$$f(x) =\frac{x^2}{2} ; x>0$$

We have f'(x)=|x| , which is not differentiable. I'm not sure this will work; just an idea. Seems like an interesting question: given a (finite) collection of functions, can I find a manifold for which the transition functions are precisely those functions? I'm thinking this is the way one can construct bundles by choosing cocycles satisfying certain properties; can we do something similar for manifolds?
 
Hi WWGD,

I think the function you suggested is the same as the one I am considering, up to a scalar factor of 1/2.
In my first post I gave three coordinate charts x1, x2, x3 that I regarded as possibly correct candidates to form an atlas.

What I missed were the transition maps.
In this case, it seems that the transition maps are always the identity function on some domain: [tex]\tau_{1,3}(t)=\tau_{3,1}(t)=t \quad ; \, t\in(0,1)[/tex]
[tex]\tau_{2,3}(t)=\tau_{3,2}(t)=t \quad ; \, t\in(-1,0)[/tex]

If this last step is correct, it should prove that the curve is indeed a [itex]C^1[/itex]-differentiable manifold (but not [itex]C^2[/itex]).
 
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