Examples of Creative Problem-Solving

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The discussion revolves around examples of creative problem-solving in physics, particularly focusing on the concepts of velocity and acceleration. Participants engage in a self-study context, exploring definitions and mathematical relationships between these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about examples of creative problem-solving, specifically in relation to velocity and acceleration.
  • There is a suggestion that participants should demonstrate their own understanding of velocity and acceleration before seeking help.
  • Velocity is defined as the rate of change of position, while acceleration is the rate of change of velocity.
  • Participants discuss the mathematical representation of position, velocity, and acceleration, using the equation ##x=-t^2+3t+5## to derive velocity and acceleration.
  • Questions arise regarding points where the first derivative (velocity) is zero while the second derivative (acceleration) is not, leading to further exploration of these concepts.
  • Some participants note that at extreme positions in motion, velocity can be zero while acceleration is non-zero, prompting clarification on the distinction between instantaneous velocity and acceleration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the definitions of velocity and acceleration, but there is disagreement regarding the interpretation of motion at extreme positions, particularly concerning the behavior of velocity and acceleration at those points.

Contextual Notes

Participants' understanding of the concepts appears to depend on their interpretations of mathematical derivatives and their implications in physical motion, which may not be fully resolved in the discussion.

Gopal Mailpalli
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Can you list few examples.
 
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Dale said:
Is this homework?

No dale, it isn't home work. While doing a problem (self-study), i came across this. So asked here.
 
Ok, you should still show some effort and thought about it on your own. How are velocity and acceleration defined?
 
Dale said:
Ok, you should still show some effort and thought about it on your own. How are velocity and acceleration defined?

The rate of change of velocity is acceleration.
 
And what is velocity?
 
Dale said:
And what is velocity?

Velocity is defined as the rate of change of position. Velocity is the first derivative of position with respect to time, where as acceleration is the second derivative of position.
 
Gopal Mailpalli said:
Velocity is the first derivative of position with respect to time, where as acceleration is the second derivative of position.
And how are those points called where the 1st derivative is zero, but the 2nd isn't.
 
Gopal Mailpalli said:
Velocity is the first derivative of position with respect to time, where as acceleration is the second derivative of position.
Perfect. So if, for example, your position is ##x=-t^2+3t+5##, then what is your velocity and acceleration?
 
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Dale said:
Perfect. So if, for example, your position is ##x=-t^2+3t+5##, then what is your velocity and acceleration?

Velocity is -2t + 3 and acceleration is -2, with its respective units.
 
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A.T. said:
And how are those points called where the 1st derivative is zero, but the 2nd isn't.

Pardon me, I didn't understand the question.
 
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Gopal Mailpalli said:
Velocity is -2t + 3 and acceleration is -2, with its respective units.
So the answer to your original question is...?
 
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Gopal Mailpalli said:
Velocity is -2t + 3 and acceleration is -2, with its respective units.
Correct. So is there any t for which v=0? What is the acceleration at that time?

Also, plot the position as a function of time. Do you notice anything special about the time you found above?
 
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Think of the motion of a pendulum.
 
  • #15
mathman said:
Think of the motion of a pendulum.

Thank you, i understood that at extreme positions, the velocity remains zero but acceleration is non-zero (changes its sign)
 
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Dale said:
Correct. So is there any t for which v=0? What is the acceleration at that time?

Also, plot the position as a function of time. Do you notice anything special about the time you found above?

For t = 3/2, the velocity is zero. Based on the graph, the position of the object is constant w.r.t time. How would one determine the acceleration then?
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Well done!

You already found the acceleration above, a=-2, regardless of time. Visually, a negative acceleration gives a position graph which is concave down, and a positive acceleration gives a position graph which is concave up. Since this graph is concave down everywhere you can immediately tell that the acceleration is negative everywhere.
 
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Gopal Mailpalli said:
Thank you, i understood that at extreme positions, the velocity remains zero
Velocity doesn't remain zero, because acceleration is not zero. Velocity is instantaneously zero.

Gopal Mailpalli said:
but acceleration is non-zero (changes its sign)
The velocity changes its sign, not the acceleration.
 

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