Examples where rot F = 0 don't imply conservative field

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The discussion centers on the misconception that a vector field's curl being zero, denoted as \(\nabla \times \mathbf{F} = 0\), implies that the field is conservative. The counterexample provided is the vector field \(\mathbf{F} = \left(\frac{-y}{x^2+y^2}, \frac{x}{x^2+y^2} \right)\), which operates in a domain that is not simply-connected, specifically \(\mathbb{R}^2\setminus\{(0,0)\}\). The conversation highlights the necessity of the domain's properties in determining conservativeness and references the first De Rham cohomology group as a key concept in understanding this relationship.

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Hey, all.

Anyway, I've been looking at books and sources online, and the only counterexample to the wrongly stated theorem

[tex]\nabla \times \mathbf{F} = 0 \Leftrightarrow \text{conservative vector field}[/tex]

seems to be [tex]\mathbf{F} = \left(\frac{-y}{x^2+y^2}, \frac{x}{x^2+y^2} \right),[/tex]
or other vector fields based on this one. In one other example, a third component is added, leaving the original two. The reason that the "theorem" is wrongly stated is that it requires the additional hypothesis of the vector field's domain being simply-connected, which it isn't in this case.

Does anyone know any other vector fields where the domain isn't simply-connected, its curl vanishes, and it ends up being not conservative, and isn't based on the counterexample I gave?

Thanks in advance.

PS: To mods, I was in a hurry and the thread's title is wrong, could you please change "don't" to "doesn't"? Thank you. :)
 
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Hello Metaleer! :smile:

You won't be finding any other vector field on [itex]\mathbb{R}^2\setminus\{(0,0)\}[/itex] with that property, this can be proven.

Basically, the first De Rham cohomology group of [itex]\mathbb{R}^2\setminus\{(0,0)\}[/itex] is [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex], which means in les high-brow terms that every vector field on [itex]\mathbb{R}^2\setminus\{(0,0)\}[/itex] has the form

[tex]r\phi+\psi[/tex]

for r a real number, [itex]\phi[/itex] the vector field you describe in your OP and [itex]\psi[/itex] conservative. This means that all counterexamples to your theorem must be based on the vector field [itex]\phi[/itex] in your OP.

Of course, if you check out other domains than [itex]\mathbb{R}^2\setminus\{(0,0)\}[/itex], then you might find more counterexamples, depending on what the first De Rham cohomology group is...

(If you want a good book on the topic, read Differential Forms by Weintraub)
 
Hey, micromass.

Thanks a lot for the info, I sort of had a sneaky suspicion this was related to de Rham cohomology. I'll give that book a read, thanks a lot!
 

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