Why does the curl of a vector field converge?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the curl of a vector field, specifically examining the relationship between the line integral of a vector field around a closed curve and the area enclosed by that curve. The inquiry is primarily intuitive, touching on theoretical aspects of vector calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the ratio of the line integral of a vector field to the area of a curve can converge, given that the area decreases more rapidly than the perimeter as the curve shrinks.
  • Another participant notes that for a constant vector field, the circulation integral and curl are zero, suggesting that the first-order correction involves the area and derivatives of the vector field components.
  • A later reply acknowledges the initial choice of a constant field as problematic and references a Taylor expansion of the vector field, indicating that the first-order terms relate to the perimeter and, when combined with the line integral, yield a factor proportional to the area.
  • A reference to a text on real analysis is provided, although its relevance to the discussion is not elaborated upon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are differing views on the implications of using a constant vector field and the methods for analyzing the curl. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the initial question posed.

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Limitations include assumptions about the behavior of vector fields and the specific conditions under which the curl is evaluated. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in the convergence argument.

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This is more of an intuitive question than anything else: the curl of a vector field \mathbf{F}, \nabla \times \mathbf{F} is defined by
(\nabla \times \mathbf{F})\cdot \mathbf{\hat{n}} = \lim_{a \to 0} \frac{\int_{C} \mathbf{F}\cdot d\mathbf{s}}{a}

Where the integral is taken around a closed curve C, \mathbf{\hat{n}} is the normal unit vector to that curve, and a is the area of the curve.

Now, my question stems from the following: roughly speaking (if we have, for example, a constant vector field and a "flat" curve), the area of the curve decreases as the square of the perimeter, as we make the curve smaller. On the other hand, the line integral of the vector field along the curve decreases proportionally to the perimeter. So how can the ratio of the line integral to the area converge, if the area decreases more rapidly than the integral?

(A similar question could be asked of the divergence, of course.)
 
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If you have a constant field, the circulation integral and hence also the curl is zero. The first order correction to this is proportional to the area and some derivatives of the components of the vector field. You. Should be able to find the derivation in any introductory text on vector analysis.
 
Oh, right- the constant field was a bad choice.
Anyway, I just checked the argument given by Purcell (unfortunately don't have any vector analysis books)- it was that you taylor expand your vector field, and the first order terms in your expansion are proportional to the perimeter of the curve; when multiplied by the d\mathbf{s} term, you get a factor proportional to the area :) (Maybe this is basically what you had explained, just more verbose.)
 
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