Existence of a Constant n in Integer Function Proof

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The discussion revolves around a function f: Z → Z that satisfies the property f(a + b) = f(a) + f(b) for all integers a and b. Participants are tasked with proving the existence of an integer n such that f(a) = an for all integers a.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants explore the idea that n could be any integer, suggesting a function definition f(x) = xn. Others question whether this holds true universally for all integers.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some suggesting a structured approach to the proof, including induction and examining specific cases. There is recognition that the function is determined by its value at f(1), and various methods for proving this are being discussed.

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There is a mention of analyzing the problem in sections and proving specific cases for positive integers, zero, and negative integers. Some participants express confusion about the simplicity of the problem and whether further analysis is needed.

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Homework Statement


Let f: Z → Z be a function such that f(a + b) = f(a) + f(b) for all a,b ε Z. Prove that there exists an integer n such that f(a) = an for all a ε Z.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm a little bit confused here if this is just supposed to be really simple, or if there's more to it that I'm just completely missing.

What I am thinking right now is that, couldn't n be any integer and you can just define f as a function f(x) = xn and therefore f(a + b) = (a + b)n = an + bn = f(a) + f(b) which satisfies the original statement?

Thanks!
 
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icestone111 said:

Homework Statement


Let f: Z → Z be a function such that f(a + b) = f(a) + f(b) for all a,b ε Z. Prove that there exists an integer n such that f(a) = an for all a ε Z.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm a little bit confused here if this is just supposed to be really simple, or if there's more to it that I'm just completely missing.

What I am thinking right now is that, couldn't n be any integer and you can just define f as a function f(x) = xn and therefore f(a + b) = (a + b)n = an + bn = f(a) + f(b) which satisfies the original statement?

Thanks!
So, you're saying that not only is this true for a particular integer, n, but it's true no matter what integer is used for n?

That does appear to be true.
 
Thanks for your reply, so I do not have to analyze this question any further?
 
SammyS may be misinterpreting your problem. As stated, with the function from Z to Z, this is true: if f(x+y)= f(x)+ f(y), there exist n such that f(x)= nx.

I recommend you do this in "sections". First prove that for k any positive integer, f(k)= kf(1) by induction on k. Then show, by looking at f(k+ 0), that f(0)= 0. Finally, show, by looking at f(k+(-k)), that f(-k)= -f(k)= -kf(1). Of course, "n" is just f(1).
 
i think the point of this problem is to show that f is completely determined by f(1).

as HallsofIvy pointed out, it's best to prove this first for the natural numbers using induction, and then show that f(0) must be 0, and then that f(-k) must be -(f(k)).

alternatively, any integer m is (m)(1). you could handle all 3 cases (positive integers, 0 and negative integers) by using induction on |m|, although this is a bit trickier, and would involve proving the cases f(m+1) and f(m-1) separately, from the induction hypothesis (you'd still have to show that f(-1) = -f(1)). it pretty much works out to be the same amount of work.
 
Thanks guys, this was a bunch of help. So there was more than expected, and it makes sense now!
 

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