Existence of Inverse Functions

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The discussion revolves around the concept of inverse functions, specifically in the context of determining whether certain functions have inverses for specified domains. The original poster references an online quiz and grapples with understanding the implications of the domain restrictions presented in the questions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify whether the domain in question pertains to the original function or its inverse. Participants explore the definitions and properties of the functions involved, questioning the conditions under which an inverse can be defined.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights and interpretations regarding the quiz questions. Some have provided specific reasoning for their answers, while others seek further confirmation or clarification on their understanding of the concepts involved.

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There is mention of potential ambiguity in the quiz questions, particularly regarding the definition of the domain for the functions and their inverses. Participants also note the importance of the vertical line test in determining whether a function has an inverse.

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Homework Statement


Hello. My following problem is partially about the maths concept involved but is largely to do with what the question is actually asking? It's from an online quiz and a printscreen of it has been provided as an attachment.


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See attachments for the questions and a graph of one of the possible answers to help illustrate my point.


The Attempt at a Solution


Please look at the attachment with the graph (drawn in Paint sorry) of f(x) = [tex]\sqrt{x-3}[/tex] drawn in blue and its inverse in green. The question asks if it has an inverse for x > 1 but I'm not sure whether I'm looking at the domain of x > 1 for the inverse or the original function? f(x) has a domain of [3, [tex]\infty[/tex]) so I thought perhaps I would say 'no' to it as it isn't defined for all of x > 1. I then realized that the inverse function has a domain of [0, [tex]\infty[/tex]) so perhaps I should say yes as the inverse is defined for all of x > 1

This is my main query and it extends throughout the other 3 possible answers as well. I think I'm confidentially able to say 'yes' to (a) because both f(x) = ln(x+2) and its inverse are defined for x > 1 but that doesn't mean I fully understand what I'm being asked for.

Thank you kindly in advance for help on what I'm actually being asked for. Help on (b) would also be much appreciated because finding the inverse gets a bit harder when the inverse isn't actually defined as a function.

-David
 

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I wonder if it's permissible to upload pictures on something like tinypic, and then post it.
 
Ahh okay. Here we go:

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4554/quiz1question1vc2.jpg

Graph of Question B and the inverse function.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1566/quiz1question1exampleuz2.jpg
 
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I think they might mean x>1 for the original function.

However, ln(x+2) is the only function where the inverse function is still a function and isn't ambiguous, either.
 
That's what I was thinking. I thought that (d) would be correct too because the inverse of f(x) = |x + 1| for x > 1 is specifically defined as shown in the below graph. The circled in red parts are the relevant bits as they are the graph of f(x) for x > 1 and then its inverse.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8672/quiz1question1example2zw6.jpg
 
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But in order for a function to be a function, it has to pass the vertical line test, which the inverse of that graph doesn't do.
 
But the inverse of that graph does pass the vertical line test if only the inverse for the function over the domain [1, + infinity) is considered.
 
It doesn't. The inverse of the function has two y coordinates for every x coordinate on [0,∞).

Edit: Ah, nevermind. I get what you're saying. Quite the ambiguous question indeed. But I don't believe they are asking you to restrict the domain when plotting, just restricting the domain when seeing which has an inverse when x>1.
 
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So with that in mind you'd agree on at least (a) and (d) being correct?
 
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Does anyone else have any input on this? The quiz gets handed in in 3 hours and atm I'm ticking (a) and (d). I'm pretty positive on this but any other input would be much appreciated.
 
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AussieDave said:
The question asks if it has an inverse for x > 1 but I'm not sure whether I'm looking at the domain of x > 1 for the inverse or the original function

Hi David! :smile:

"Which of the following functions has an inverse for x > 1?

a. ln(x+2) …"

That definitely means if the x in the definition is > 1.

If they meant y (or whatever), they'd say so! :smile:
 
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Okay then. So to clarify, that'd mean:

(a) Yes because the function is defined for -3 -> + infinity and has a clearly defined inverse function over the domain 1 -> + infinity

(b) No because the function does not have a clearly defined inverse over the domain 1 to + infinity due to the absolute value effectively turning it into a hybrid function. There is also the issue of the function not being 1 to 1

(c) No because the function is only defined for 3 -> + infinity and therefore isn't defined over all of 1 -> + infinity and therefore doesn't fit the criteria

(d) Yes because whilst the function isn't 1 to 1 and therefore doesn't have a single inverse function defined for its entire domain, for the domain 1 -> + infinity it is 1 to 1 and has a clearly defined inverse function

Are those answers and reasonings correct?
 
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Hi David! :smile:

(a) correct.

(b) correct - but what's a hybrid function? only the one-to-one matters.

(c) correct, if the values are all real, not correct if they allow imaginary values!

(d) correct.

btw, a good guide is to differentiate - if the differential is always non-zero, then there can't be a turning-point, and and so the function must be single-valued! :smile:

But if the differential is zero, you still have to check, since it might be an inflexion point and not a turning-point. :frown:
 

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