Expand balloon with static electricity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of expanding a balloon using static electricity, particularly through the application of electrostatic forces similar to those used in electrostatic adhesion wall climbing robots. Participants explore theoretical underpinnings and practical implications of this concept.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes wrapping a balloon in layers of material and applying power to create an electrostatic charge that could polarize the air inside the balloon, potentially causing it to expand.
  • Another participant questions the effectiveness of using electrostatic forces due to their rapid decrease with distance, suggesting that a setup with two parallel planes might optimize the effect.
  • A different participant argues against the feasibility of the idea, citing Gauss's Law and the uniform charge distribution inside a conducting enclosure, which would prevent a potential difference from forming inside the balloon.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the practical effects of static electricity on balloon volume change, suggesting that the forces involved would be minuscule at practical voltage levels.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the viability of expanding a balloon with static electricity. Some support the theoretical approach, while others challenge its practicality and underlying physics, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference Gauss's Law and the behavior of electrostatic forces, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the setup and the scale of forces involved.

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Hey guys, I’m trying a weird project. I could use some help confirming the theory before I start.

I want to see if I can expand an inflated balloon using static electricity.
The idea is to wrap a balloon in several layers of material, similar to that used in electrostatic adhesion wall climbing robots, and run power through the layers. The electrostatic charge on the layers outside the balloon will build up and the air inside the balloon will begin to become polarized and begin to cause the balloon to expand.

Any thoughts about this theory would be great! Thanks for the feedback!
Steve
 
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smiddleton26 said:
I want to see if I can expand an inflated balloon using static electricity.

similar to that used in electrostatic adhesion wall climbing robots
Can you post a link to that? I'm not familar with it. Thanks.

One problem with using electrostatic forces to expand a balloon is that the electrostatic force falls off quickly with distance. So to get the best effect, it would be better to use two parallel planes of material separated by a small distance. Can you alter your setup somehow to make that optimization?

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http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elefor.html
 
smiddleton26 said:
Summary: Hey guys, I’m trying a weird project. I could use some help confirming the theory before I start.

I want to see if I can expand an inflated balloon using static electricity.

The idea is to wrap a balloon in several layers of material, similar to that used in electrostatic adhesion wall climbing robots, and run power through the layers. The electrostatic charge on the layers outside the balloon will build up and the air inside the balloon will begin to become polarized and begin to cause the balloon to expand.

Any thoughts about this theory would be great! Thanks for the feedback!
Steve
Sorry, won't work. The charge inside a conducting enclosure is uniform, being uniform there can be no potential difference inside the enclosure.

reference: Gauss's Law; Faraday Shield (Gauss's Law being the main one)

https://www.google.com/search?&q=field+strength+inside+charged+sphere
(at least some of the Utube videos are garbage, stick to the mathematical ones if you are up to it)

Cheers,
Tom
 
smiddleton26 said:
I want to see if I can expand an inflated balloon using static electricity.
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The electrostatic charge on the layers outside the balloon will build up and the air inside the balloon will begin to become polarized and begin to cause the balloon to expand.
Those crossed over parts turns that sentence to technobabble.
The charge itself has some effect on the balloon, but the forces involved (=> volume change of the balloon) are just minuscule at any practical voltage level.
 
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