Expanding over R and L polarisations

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical expansion of polarization states in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the right-handed (R) and left-handed (L) polarizations expressed in terms of horizontal (H) and vertical (V) bases. Participants explore the complexities introduced by the use of complex numbers in these expansions.

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  • Stevie initiates the discussion by asking how to factor in complex numbers when expanding the states |RR> + |LL> and |RR> - |LL> using the H/V basis.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the relationship between the tensor products and the use of complex numbers, particularly in the context of |HH> - |VV> and its implications for RR combinations.
  • One participant questions the logical connection between the initial confusion about the tensor product and the subsequent mention of complex numbers.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the expansion of |HH> - |VV> using the definitions of R and L, but their calculations appear to lead to uncertainty.
  • There is a suggestion to utilize the bilinearity property of the tensor product to simplify the expansions, although the effectiveness of this approach remains unclear.

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Participants express varying levels of confusion and uncertainty regarding the mathematical expansions and the role of complex numbers. There is no consensus on how to proceed with the calculations or on the logical connections between the different expressions.

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Some participants' statements indicate missing assumptions or unclear definitions regarding the polarizations and their expansions. The discussion also reflects unresolved mathematical steps, particularly in the manipulation of complex numbers.

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We expand over, in the H/V basis, |RR> + |LL>, likewise |RR> - |LL>. Because R = (H + iV) and L = (H - iV), how do we factor in the complex number to obtain the final result?

So:
1. (H + iV)(H + iV) + (H - iV)(H - iV) and
2. (H + iV)(H + iV) - (H - iV)(H - iV)

Thanks,
Stevie
 
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What difficulties have you encountered in expanding this tensor product?
 
I guess my confusion lies with |HH> - |VV>, which allows RR combinations. That's why I'm asking what to do in cases involving complex numbers.
 
StevieTNZ said:
I guess my confusion lies with |HH> - |VV>, which allows RR combinations. That's why I'm asking what to do in cases involving complex numbers.

I don't see how your second sentence (complex number problem) logically follows your first one.
 
|HH> - |VV>
=(R + iL)(R + iL) - (R - iL)(R - iL)
= RR - RR + iLL - iLL + RiL + RiL ??
 
StevieTNZ said:
|HH> - |VV>
=(R + iL)(R + iL) - (R - iL)(R - iL)
= RR - RR + iLL - iLL + RiL + RiL ??

R=H+iV
H=(R+L)/2
 
So H = (R + L) and
V = -i (R - L)

=|H>|V> - |V>|H>
=(R + L) -i(R - L) - -i(R - L)(R + L)

-i = +1? (-i^2)

How do we expand over that?
 
What seems to be the problem exactly? Just use the bilinearity of ⊗:
(cA)⊗B = A⊗(cB) = c(A⊗B), (A+B)⊗C = A⊗C+B⊗C, A⊗(B+C) = A⊗B+A⊗C

R⊗R + L⊗L=(H + iV)⊗(H + iV) + (H - iV)⊗(H - iV) =
=(H⊗(H + iV) + iV⊗(H + iV)) + (H⊗(H - iV) - iV⊗(H - iV)) =
=H⊗H + H⊗iV + iV⊗H + iV⊗iV + H⊗H - H⊗iV - iV⊗H + iV⊗iV =
=H⊗H + i(H⊗V) + i(V⊗H) -V⊗V + H⊗H - i(H⊗V) - i(V⊗H) - V⊗V =
= 2(H⊗H - V⊗V)
Similarly, RR - LL= 2i (HV + VH).
 

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