Expanding universe or tired light in a static universe?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concepts of "tired light" and the expanding universe, particularly in the context of a static universe. Participants explore the implications of these theories and their compatibility with observed phenomena such as redshift and blueshift.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a book by Lyndon Ashmore and express curiosity about its content and validity regarding tired light.
  • There is mention of a peer-reviewed paper by C.S. Chen, with participants noting a potential contradiction between the paper's abstract, which discusses both blue and red shifts, and Ashmore's interpretation that claims no blue shift is present.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the tired light theory, suggesting it is not a credible idea in contemporary physics.
  • Another participant humorously suggests that if redshift is termed "tired," then blue shift could be considered "wakeful," implying a lack of seriousness in the tired light concept.
  • It is noted that tired light in a static universe would predict a constant shift in wavelength, contrasting with the observed Doppler shifts that vary with wavelength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the validity of the tired light theory, with some dismissing it as incorrect while others engage with the ideas presented in Ashmore's work. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the interpretation of redshift and blueshift.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of the theories discussed, particularly regarding the definitions of redshift and blueshift and their relation to tired light. There are unresolved questions about the interpretations of the referenced research papers.

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Ennio said:
Has anyone read the book of this author? What is your opinion about this topic?

https://www.google.de/search?q=tire...j5vfAhXK2qQKHdHsD6AQ_AUIDygC&biw=1280&bih=623

He sites a peer reviewed paper by C.S. Chen. I do not have access to the full article. The abstract clearly says "blue shift" and "red shift". Lyndon Ashmore's https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228730621_Intrinsic_Plasma_Redshifts_Now_Reproduced_In_The_Laboratory-a_Discussion_in_Terms_of_New_Tired_Light (page 2, left column, second paragraph) claims Chen's research shows no blue shift. That looks like a contradiction.
 
stefan r said:
He sites a peer reviewed paper by C.S. Chen. I do not have access to the full article. The abstract clearly says "blue shift" and "red shift". Lyndon Ashmore's https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228730621_Intrinsic_Plasma_Redshifts_Now_Reproduced_In_The_Laboratory-a_Discussion_in_Terms_of_New_Tired_Light (page 2, left column, second paragraph) claims Chen's research shows no blue shift. That looks like a contradiction.

Here you can find his publication to download. I have bought and read the book: really interesting
https://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=70089
 
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davenn said:
Well if he is writing about "tired light", I wouldn't take his writings too seriously because tired light is not a correct idea/theory
If red shift is called "tired" then blue shift would have to be "wakeful". No wonder those ideas have no credence these days.
 
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Tired light in a static universe predicts a constant shift in wavelength - while what is observed are doppler shifts, change in wavelength increasing with wavelength...
 

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