Expansion for the prime counting function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the exploration of expansions for the prime counting function, π(x), and the logarithmic integral, Li(x). Participants examine the potential for expressing the difference between these two functions through series expansions involving logarithmic terms, considering both exact and asymptotic representations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes an expansion for π(x) in terms of logarithmic functions, suggesting that if expansions for both π(x) and Li(x) exist, one could analyze their difference.
  • Another participant argues that if the coefficients a_i and b_i are not functions of x, then such expansions cannot exist, as they would imply that the ratios π(x)/log(x) and Li(x)/log(x) are constant.
  • A correction is made to the initial proposal, clarifying that the expansions should include powers of log(x) rather than just log(x) itself.
  • One participant questions the feasibility of taking the expansion about the point at infinity, indicating a potential limitation in the approach.
  • Another participant notes that while there is an asymptotic expansion for Li(x), it is not convergent and only serves as a good representation for a limited number of terms based on x.
  • Concerns are raised about the errors associated with the expressions for both π(x) and Li(x), emphasizing that the sign of these errors is unknown, which complicates the analysis of their difference.
  • A later reply mentions the existence of convergent series for Li(x), referencing Ramanujan's series, and expresses surprise at the ability to work with such representations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and nature of expansions for π(x) and Li(x). There is no consensus on whether a satisfactory analytic series for π(x) exists, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the proposed expansions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential non-convergence of certain series, the dependence on the definitions of the coefficients in the expansions, and unresolved questions about the behavior of the functions at infinity.

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my question is, let us suppose we can find an expansion for the prime number (either exact or approximate)

[tex]\pi (x) = \sum _{n=0}^{\infty}a_n log(x)[/tex]

and we have the expression for the logarithmic integral

[tex]Li (x) = \sum _{n=0}^{\infty}b_n log(x)[/tex]

where the numbers a(n) and b(n) are known , then my question is , what could one expect about the difference expansion

[tex]\pi (x) - Li(x) = \sum _{n=0}^{\infty}(a_n - b_n) log(x)[/tex] ??
 
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Unless the a_i and b_i are functions of x, no such expansions exist as they would imply that pi(x)/log(x) and Li(x)/log(x) are constant.
 
[tex]\pi (x) = \sum _{n=0}^{\infty}a_n log^{n} (x)[/tex]

[tex]Li (x) = \sum _{n=0}^{\infty}b_n log^{n} (x)[/tex]

sorry i made a mistake it should include powers of log(x) and not only logarithm of x , sorry about that.

[tex]\pi(x) - Li (x) = \sum _{n=0}^{\infty}(a_n - b_n) log^{n} (x)[/tex]
 
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About what point are you taking this expansion? I don't see a way to take it about the point at infinity.
 
"the expression for the logarithmic integral"

While there is an asymptotic expansion for the logarithmic integral of the form you propose it is not convergent. It is only a good representation of li(x) for a certain number of terms depending on x.

Other series for li(x) that do converge are much trickier. For example Ramanujan's series: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithmic_integral_function#Series_representation.

Pi(x) - Li(x) = (Difference of Pi(x) - Li(x)) (see wiki on RH for the best estimate on this) + (Error on your expression for Pi(x)) + (Error on your expression for Li(x))

Note that I added the errors because the sign of the errors is not known. If you could prove the errors are strictly positive you could subtract them.

Of course everyone wishes that such a nice analytic series exists for Pi(x). Many eminent mathematicians have been looking for such a series for hundreds of years with not much to show for it.
 
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