# Homework Help: Expectation values of QHO in |n> basis

1. Feb 5, 2012

### squigglywolf

Is it possible to express ANY observable A(X,P) in terms of the ladder operators?

I know how to evaluate expectation values in the |n> basis given the operators in terms of a & a+, but was trying to figure out <1/X^2>. How do you express 1/X^2 in terms of ladder operators? <ψ|(1/X^2)|ψ> can be done in the X basis fine, by evaluating ∫ψ*(1/x^2)ψ dx , but what about in |n> basis?

i.e
Given X^2 = (h/2mw)[a^2 + aa' + a'a +a'^2] how do I "invert" this into 1/X^2 , and be able to evaluate it in a state <1|(1/X^2)|1> for example?
(a' = a-dagger)

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2. Feb 6, 2012

### ardie

the division process is not defined for operators. unless you mean inversion which gives a rather simple answer, knowing that the lowering and raising operators are each others inverses. If you just want to know what is the inverse of the expectation value of x squared, that isn't too difficult, you just evaluate x squared and take its inverse.

3. Feb 6, 2012

### squigglywolf

Yeah I don't mean division, I guess it would be the inverse of X^2? Since <ψ|(X^2)(1/X^2)|ψ> will just be <ψ|ψ>. And yeah I don't just want to be able to work out 1/<X^2> which is easily done, I want <1/X^2>.

So how do I find the inverse of X^2 = (h/2mw)[a^2 + aa' + a'a +a'^2] ?
I need some operator in terms of a and a' such that when I have the product of the two, all the terms cancel out to the Identity operator.. how?

edit*Thinking about it, how would it even be possible to get to say, 1/X, using a = X + iP and a' = X - iP (ignoring the coefficients). So I'm guessing you CANT write any observable using ladder operators? Only if they have powers of X and P that are in the natural numbers including 0.

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4. Feb 6, 2012

### ardie

You're kind of missing the point here. You cannot perform a division operation on a vector.
<ψ|(1/X^2)|ψ> is not mathematically defined. The object 1/<X^2> however makes more mathematical sense.
Any Hamiltonian with a potential quadratic in position coordinates, and non relativistic kinetic energy, can have raising and lowering operators associated with it. Although I don't think this is what you were asking for. In general you can write any observable that depends on x or p in terms of the familiar lowering and raising operators for the QHO.
In theory if you write 1/X as X^(-1), then we have X^(-2) = ((h/2mw)^(-2)).([a^2 + aa' + a'a +a'^2]^-2). But then you would have to expand that bracket. No easy task I grant you, but the crucial assumption here is that the X and P are scalars; we are working with a 1 dimensional harmonic oscillator. In that case matrix and scalar inversion are effectively the same operations. If you have trouble with expanding that bracket, try a Binomial expansion, but be careful with the orderings as these are differential equations you are manipulating.

5. Feb 6, 2012

### squigglywolf

What do you mean <ψ|(1/X^2)|ψ> isn't defined? Maybe my notation is just bad, what I meant by that is expectation value of (1/X^2), where (1/X^2)|x> = (1/x^2)|x> .
In general <1/X^2> ≠ 1/<X^2>.
But yes I see, so I should be able to get the right result by expanding that bracket, looks tedious haha, thanks for your answers.

6. Feb 7, 2012

### ardie

yes i was perhaps pressing on a point not quite relevant to your question. any way the bracket needs to be expanded by a multinomial expansion, or a binomial expansion if you prefer that way.
here's some help on how to do those:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinomial_theorem