Expectation values of x and x^2

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The discussion focuses on calculating the expectation values of position and position squared for the wave function ψ(x,t) = Ae^{-λ|x|}e^{-iωt}, where A, λ, and ω are positive real constants. The calculations yield = 0 and = (A^2)/(2λ^3), indicating that while the average position is zero, the average of the square of the position is non-zero, confirming the wave function's spread. The conclusion emphasizes the importance of recognizing the symmetry in the wave function when evaluating integrals.

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Given the wave function:
\psi (x,t) = Ae^ {-\lambda \mid x\mid}e^ {-(i ) \omega t}
where A, \lambda, and \omega are positive real constants

I'm asked to find the expectation values of x and x^2.

I know that the values are given by
<x> = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} dx
and
<x^2> = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} (x^2)(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} dx
However, when calculated, I get <x> = <x^2> = 0. Since this would yield a standard deviation of zero, I'm thinking I've made a mistake (the reasoning being that the function does have some spread).

Does this seem correct, or should I be getting a non-zero value for one of the expectation values?
 
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cyberdeathreaper said:
Given the wave function:
\psi (x,t) = Ae^ {-\lambda \mid x\mid}e^ {-(i ) \omega t}
where A, \lambda, and \omega are positive real constants

I'm asked to find the expectation values of x and x^2.

I know that the values are given by
&lt;x&gt; = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} dx
and
&lt;x^2&gt; = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} (x^2)(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} dx
However, when calculated, I get <x> = <x^2> = 0. Since this would yield a standard deviation of zero, I'm thinking I've made a mistake (the reasoning being that the function does have some spread).

Does this seem correct, or should I be getting a non-zero value for one of the expectation values?
SOLUTION HINTS:

For <x>:

1: \ \ \ \ &lt;x&gt; \ \ = \ \ \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ = \ \

2: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ = \ \ \int_{-\infty}^{0} x(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ + \ \ \int_{0}^{+\infty} x(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ = \ \

3: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ = \ \ \color{red}\int_{0}^{+\infty} \color{black} \color{red}(-x)\color{black}(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ + \ \ \int_{0}^{+\infty} x(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ = \ \ \color{red}\mathbf{(0)}


For <x2>:

4: \ \ \ \ &lt;x^{2}&gt; \ \ = \ \ \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} (x^{2})(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ = \ \

5: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ = \ \ \int_{-\infty}^{0} (x^{2})(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ + \ \ \int_{0}^{+\infty} (x^{2})(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ = \ \

6: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ = \ \ \color{red}\int_{0}^{+\infty}\color{black} \color{red}(x^{2})\color{black}(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ + \ \ \int_{0}^{+\infty} (x^{2})(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ = \ \ \

7: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ = \ \ \color{red} (2) \cdot \color{black} \int_{0}^{+\infty} (x^{2})(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \color{red} (x) \color{black} } \, dx \ \ \ \ = \ \ {\color{red}\mathbf{\displaystyle \left( \frac {A^{2}} {2\lambda^{3}}\right )}}




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Thanks. That's the justification I was looking for.

Just to clearify the rule, let me see if I can generalize it...

given:

\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} f(x) dx

Then, the integral can be re-written as:

2 \int_{0}^{+\infty} f(x) dx

if \int_{-\infty}^{0} f(x) dx = \int_{0}^{+\infty} f(x) dx

Is this correct?
 
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It holds whenever the the integrand is even wtr 0. So f(x)=f(-x).

If f(x)=-f(-x) the function is odd and the integral will be zero.
 
Yeah,that modulus in the exponential surely means a lot.The exponential of real argument in neither odd,nor even,but that modulus changes things.

Daniel.
 
Thanks for the help. I should be set then.
 
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