Expectation value of mean momentum from ground state energy

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The problem involves a particle of mass m in a one-dimensional harmonic oscillator potential, with a focus on calculating various expectation values related to the ground state wave function. The specific quantities of interest include the mean values of position, position squared, momentum, and momentum squared.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the expectation value of momentum squared to the energy of the system, questioning whether it is valid to equate the Hamiltonian operator with the energy scalar in this context.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided clarification regarding the distinction between the Hamiltonian as an operator and energy as a scalar, suggesting that while the original poster's approach was on the right track, the assumption made was incorrect. There is acknowledgment of a shortcut that avoids more complex calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of classmates attempting the integral by hand, indicating a variety of approaches being explored within the constraints of the homework assignment.

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1. The problem statement
Consider a particle of mass m under the action of the one-dimensional harmonic oscillator potential. The Hamiltonian is given by
H = \frac{p^2}{2m} + \frac{m \omega ^2 x^2}{2}
Knowing that the ground state of the particle at a certain instant is described by the wave function
\psi(x) = (\frac{m \omega}{\pi \hbar})^\frac{1}{4} e^{-\frac{m \omega x^2}{2 \hbar}}
calculate (for the ground state)
a) the mean value of the position <x>
b) the mean value of the position squared <x2>
c) the mean value of the momentum <p>
d) the mean value of the momentum squared <p2>

Homework Equations


H = \frac{p^2}{2m} + \frac{m \omega ^2 x^2}{2}
&lt;x^2&gt; = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \psi^*(x) x^2 \psi(x) dx
&lt;p^2&gt; = - \hbar ^2 \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \psi^*(x) \frac{\partial^2 \psi(x)}{\partial x^2} dx

The Attempt at a Solution


My question relates to the fourth part of the question so I'll give the first three answers here.
a) &lt;x&gt; = 0
b) &lt;x^2&gt; = \frac{\hbar}{2m \omega}
c) &lt;p&gt; = 0

I attempted to relate <p2> to <x2> by assuming that
H = E = E_k + V = \frac{p^2}{2m} + \frac{1}{2} m \omega^2 x^2 and using the ground state energy of a harmonic oscillator:
E = \frac{1}{2} \hbar \omega
I then took the expectation value of both sides
&lt;E&gt; = \frac{1}{2} \hbar \omega = \frac{1}{2m} &lt;p^2&gt; + \frac{1}{2} m \omega^2 &lt;x^2&gt;
\frac{1}{2} \hbar \omega = \frac{1}{2m}&lt;p^2&gt;+\frac{1}{2}m \omega^2 \frac{\hbar}{2m\omega}
\frac{1}{2} \hbar \omega = \frac{1}{2m}&lt;p^2&gt; + \frac{1}{4}\hbar \omega
&lt;p^2&gt; = \frac{1}{2} m \omega \hbar

I'm just not sure if I'm correct in my assumptions. Can I assume H = E in this situation?
 
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TheBigDig said:
Can I assume H = E in this situation?
No you cannot. H is an operator, E is an energy (scalar). However, you can assume that the expectation value <H> = E1 because ##\psi(x)## is the ground eigenfunction.
 
kuruman said:
No you cannot. H is an operator, E is an energy (scalar). However, you can assume that the expectation value <H> = E1 because ##\psi(x)## is the ground eigenfunction.

So then my answer is correct, I just made the wrong assumption?
 
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TheBigDig said:
So then my answer is correct, I just made the wrong assumption?

Yes, that's a neat shortcut and better than calculating ##\langle p^2 \rangle## by hand.
 
PeroK said:
Yes, that's a neat shortcut and better than calculating ##\langle p^2 \rangle## by hand.
Excellent! Thanks for the confirmation. A few of my classmates have tried out the integral by hand and gotten the same answer. I'm just really lazy.
 

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