Expectation values r and x for electron in H2 ground state

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The discussion revolves around calculating expectation values for the position of an electron in the ground state of the hydrogen molecule (H2). The original poster presents equations related to the wave function and attempts to compute the expectation values of \( r \) and \( x \).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the expectation values \( \langle r \rangle \) and \( \langle r^2 \rangle \) using integrals. They express confusion regarding the calculation of \( \langle x \rangle \) and whether symmetry can be applied. Other participants question the implications of symmetry and the interpretation of the electron's position.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights regarding symmetry in the context of quantum mechanics, suggesting that \( \langle x \rangle \) may be zero due to symmetry. However, there is ongoing exploration of how this relates to the non-zero expectation value of \( x^2 \), indicating a productive dialogue without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the implications of symmetry in quantum mechanics and how it affects the expectation values. There is an emphasis on understanding the definitions and interpretations of the variables involved, particularly in relation to the electron's position.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


$$ \psi_{100} = \frac {1}{\sqrt{\pi a^{3}}} e^{-r/a} $$

The Attempt at a Solution


a)
$$\langle r \rangle = \frac {1}{\pi a^{3}} \int_0^{2 \pi} d \phi \int_{0}^\pi d \theta \int_0^{\infty} r^{3} e^{-2r/a} dr$$
This comes out to be ##\frac {3}{2}a##

$$\langle r^{2} \rangle = \frac {1}{\pi a^{3}} \int_0^{2 \pi} d \phi \int_{0}^\pi d \theta \int_0^{\infty} r^{4} e^{-2r/a} dr$$
Which comes out as ##3a^{2}##

b)
I know ##r^{2} = 3x^{2}##, so the answer for the expectation value of ##x^{2}## is one third the expectation value of ##r^{2}##, therefore ##\langle x^{2} \rangle = a^{2}##

However, I am confused how to find ##\langle x \rangle##. Do I just say ##x = r sin \theta##, therefore ##dx = sin \theta dr + r cos \theta d \theta##?
 
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<x> is easy to find by symmetry, but you can calculate the integral if you want.
 
Yes, I am confused how to exploit the symmetry
 
Do you expect the electron to be on average more on the left or the right side? Does that question even make sense as you don't know where left and right are?
 
Okay, I suppose that makes sense, but then why would the square x coordinate not be zero then? By the same reasoning
 
Maylis said:
Okay, I suppose that makes sense, but then why would the square x coordinate not be zero then? By the same reasoning

Because a measurement of ##x^2## is positive so the expected value can't be 0.
 

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