Experiment Showing Relativistic Effects in PD Acceleration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around identifying an experiment that demonstrates relativistic effects in the acceleration of electrons through a potential difference (p.d.), highlighting discrepancies between predicted acceleration based on Newtonian mechanics and observed results consistent with special relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks the name of an experiment that shows how an electron's acceleration through a p.d. leads to relativistic velocities, which do not align with Newtonian predictions.
  • Another participant suggests the Bucherer experiment from 1909 as a possible reference, providing links to sources for further reading.
  • A participant notes that many high-energy particle accelerators rely on relativistic dynamics, implying that the principles of special relativity are fundamental to their design and operation.
  • There is a clarification that the initial reference to "he said" pertains to the participant's physics teacher, who emphasized the importance of the experiment in the context of special relativity.
  • Participants discuss the historical significance of the Bucherer experiment, noting its precedence over later developments in particle physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relevance of the Bucherer experiment and the importance of relativistic dynamics in modern particle accelerators. However, the specific experiment initially sought remains unresolved, as multiple references and interpretations are presented without consensus on a singular answer.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects a blend of historical and technical perspectives, with some participants referencing additional experiments like the Michelson-Morley experiment as part of the broader context of evidence for special relativity.

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i need the name of the experiment where you pass an electron through a p.d. and it accelerates, but as the electron's predicted acceleration (from field strength etc) would give a relativistic velocity, the results do not agree with Newtonian mechanics?

he said it's useful evidence, in a fairly simple experiment, for special relativity but i can't find the name of it :(

thanks
 
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RK1992 said:
he said it's useful evidence

Who said? :smile:

Practically every high-energy particle accelerator built since World War II fits this description. Their designs assume that the particles follow relativistic dynamics and not Newtonian dynamics. They wouldn't work if the particles followed Newtonian dynamics.
 
jtbell said:
RK1992 said:
he said it's useful evidence

Who said? :smile:

Practically every high-energy particle accelerator built since World War II fits this description. Their designs assume that the particles follow relativistic dynamics and not Newtonian dynamics. They wouldn't work if the particles followed Newtonian dynamics.
If it's Bucherer he was thinking of, then it has some historical importance because it was done in 1909, so it predated not just particle accelerators and WW II but WW I as well.
 
jtbell said:
Who said? :smile:

Practically every high-energy particle accelerator built since World War II fits this description. Their designs assume that the particles follow relativistic dynamics and not Newtonian dynamics. They wouldn't work if the particles followed Newtonian dynamics.

Oops, I meant to say my physics teacher did. And that's very true, but I think he was talking about that specific one mentioned as I'm doing a project on relativity (I'm in UK 6th form - age 17 - so not yet at degree level - this is considered supplementary to my a level studies) and I need to discuss evidence that suggested it such as Michaelson-Morley and outline the theory etc.

bcrowell said:
Possibly this is Bucherer, Ann. Physik, 28 (1909) 513.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/andp.19093330305/abstract;jsessionid=B5A68D70C001D420C322024E91E402C9.d01t01

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Bucherer#Relativistic_mass

It's described in this English-language book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0023993405/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Looks useful thank you :D And I'll look into buying the book.

bcrowell said:
If it's Bucherer he was thinking of, then it has some historical importance because it was done in 1909, so it predated not just particle accelerators and WW II but WW I as well.

Yeah that's the sort of thing I needed, thank you :)
 

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