Explain Adjoint of Commutator Identity in Second Quantization

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The discussion centers on the adjoint of the commutator identity in second quantization, specifically the identity ([a_1^{\dagger},a_2^{\dagger}]_{\mp})^{\dagger}=[a_1,a_2]_{\mp}. The original poster questions the validity of this identity, noting discrepancies when applying it to commutators versus anticommutators. A participant clarifies that the identity holds only for specific cases involving creation and annihilation operators, where the commutation relations for fermions or bosons yield zero. The conversation highlights the importance of context in applying these identities correctly. Understanding these nuances is crucial for accurate application in quantum mechanics.
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Hi all.

I found the following identity in a textbook on second quantization:

([a_1^{\dagger},a_2^{\dagger}]_{\mp})^{\dagger}=[a_1,a_2]_{\mp}

but why?

([a_1^{\dagger},a_2^{\dagger}]_{\mp})^{\dagger}=(a_1^{\dagger}a_2^{\dagger}\mp a_2^{\dagger}a_1^{\dagger})^{\dagger}=a_2a_1\mp a_1a_2

and in the case of the commutator (and not the anticommutator) this isn't the result mentioned in the book.

i would be glad if someone can explain. thanks.
 
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tommy01 said:
([a_1^{\dagger},a_2^{\dagger}]_{\mp})^{\dagger}=(a_1^{\dagger}a_2^{\dagger}\mp a_2^{\dagger}a_1^{\dagger})^{\dagger}=a_2a_1\mp a_1a_2

This looks fine to me
 
tommy01 said:
Hi all.

I found the following identity in a textbook on second quantization:

([a_1^{\dagger},a_2^{\dagger}]_{\mp})^{\dagger}=[a_1,a_2]_{\mp}

but why?

([a_1^{\dagger},a_2^{\dagger}]_{\mp})^{\dagger}=(a_1^{\dagger}a_2^{\dagger}\mp a_2^{\dagger}a_1^{\dagger})^{\dagger}=a_2a_1\mp a_1a_2

and in the case of the commutator (and not the anticommutator) this isn't the result mentioned in the book.

i would be glad if someone can explain. thanks.


Well, my best guess is that

<br /> [A,B]^{\dagger} = (AB - BA)^{\dagger} = B^{\dagger}A^{\dagger}-A^{\dagger}B^{\dagger} = [B^{\dagger},A^{\dagger}] = -[A^{\dagger},B^{\dagger}]<br />

So

<br /> [A^{\dagger},B^{\dagger}]^{\dagger} = - [A,B]<br />

what you also wrote down. Which textbook are you referring to?
 
Thanks for your replies.

I found the problem. The identity only holds for the special case of creation-/annihilation-operators, where the (anti-)commutator for fermions or bosons resplectively is zero.

thanks and greetings.
 
Time reversal invariant Hamiltonians must satisfy ##[H,\Theta]=0## where ##\Theta## is time reversal operator. However, in some texts (for example see Many-body Quantum Theory in Condensed Matter Physics an introduction, HENRIK BRUUS and KARSTEN FLENSBERG, Corrected version: 14 January 2016, section 7.1.4) the time reversal invariant condition is introduced as ##H=H^*##. How these two conditions are identical?

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