Explain molar absorptivity to a dumb physicist.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of molar absorptivity, particularly in the context of infrared (IR) spectroscopy and its application to a specific paper discussing the integrated absorptivity of water molecules. Participants raise questions about definitions, units, and calculations related to molar absorptivity and absorbance.

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  • One participant questions whether the paper is quoting an integrated 'molar absorptivity' and seeks clarification on the integration over the frequency axis, specifically if it is in wave-numbers.
  • Another participant provides a definition of molar absorptivity as A/c l, where A is absorbance, c is concentration, and l is the path length, referencing a source for this definition.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of absorbance as a base 10 logarithm of I/I0, with a participant asking if this definition is universally accepted.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the units of molar absorptivity and absorption coefficients, attempting to derive the expected units based on the relationships between absorbance, absorption coefficient, and concentration.
  • One participant explains the relationship between absorbance and the Beer-Lambert law, introducing the extinction coefficient and its relation to molar absorptivity.
  • A later reply mentions the integrated molar absorptivity and its units, suggesting a connection to the integral over wave-numbers.
  • Another participant asks about the molar absorptivity for 2,4,6-trichlorophenol at a specific wavelength, indicating a practical application of the discussed concepts.

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The discussion includes multiple competing views and uncertainties regarding the definitions and calculations of molar absorptivity and absorbance. No consensus is reached on the specific questions raised, and participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and units involved in the calculations, highlighting potential limitations in their understanding of the relationships between absorbance, molar absorptivity, and absorption coefficients.

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OK chem-wizards...

I'm looking at a paper which states

"...the integrated absorptivity of the stretching vibrations of a water molecule is 4.89 cm micro mol^-1"

(I'm transcribing a 'mu' character as micro in the above. If mu doesn't stand for micro, then let me know!)

OK, so some questions:

1) Is the paper quoting an integrated 'molar absorptivity'?

2) The integration is over the frequency axis, but is this frequency in wave-numbers?

3) Is this defn. for molar absorptivity correct?

Molar Absorptivity,? = A/ c l

( where A= absorbance, c = sample concentration in moles/liter
& l = length of light path through the cuvette in cm.)

taken from http://www.cem.msu.edu/~reusch/VirtualText/Spectrpy/UV-Vis/uvspec.htm

4) According to this Wikipedia article, absorbance is calculated as a base 10 logarithm of I/I0. Is that defn. universally used?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorbance

5) I can't understand the units. If A=absorption and alpha = absorption coefficient and L=sample length, then A=alpha L, so that means that alpha is in units of inverse length.

If e=absorptivity, and c is the concentration in mols per liter and e=A/cL=alpha/c, then e is in units of mols^-1 liters ^-1 cm^-1. Thus, I'd expect the integrated absorptivity to be in mols^-1 liters^ -1 cm ^-2, given that the integral is over wavenumbers which have units of cm^-1.

6) Basically what I want is to convert the number in the paper into a value for the absorption coefficient.

Thanks in advance for any help!
 
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Oh, I should add, this is from an IR experiment.
 
The absorbance, A, is the exponent that is seen in the Beer-Lambert equation.

I = I_0 ~e^{-\kappa x} = I_0 ~e^{-A}

The extinction coefficient, K , is often proportional to the concentration of the solution over a wide range of values, allowing us to write \kappa=M \alpha, where M is the molar concentration in Mol/Liter and \alpha is what is usually called the molar absortivity.

Since A is dimensionless, \alpha has units of cm2/mol (ignoring a multiplier of 100 or 1000 depending on actual units used) and the integrated molar absorptivity \int { \alpha dk}, where k=2\pi/\lambda has units of cm/mol.
 
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Thanks! I will take a good look at this later.
 
Again, thanks. I finally got back to looking at this tonight and your explanation was enough for me to make the correct conversions in the paper I'm writing.
 
Hi,

Can anyone tell me what is the molar absorptivity at the irradiating wavelength for the 2,4,6-trichlorophenol? I use wavelength 293nm to detect the concentration of this chemical in a UV-Vis Spectrophotometer. Thank you.

Cheers
Collin
 

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