Explaining the Context of $\nabla\times A=0$ with a Uniform Y-Component of A

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The discussion revolves around the implications of the condition $\nabla\times A=0$ for a vector field A, specifically focusing on the scenario where the y-component of A is uniform. Participants are exploring the relationship between the curl of A and the uniformity of its components, as well as the assumptions underlying these claims.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a claim from a journal that if the y-component of A is uniform, then the y-component of the curl of A is zero.
  • Another participant questions the validity of this claim, stating that the y-component of the curl is independent of the y-component of the vector A and suggests there may be additional assumptions about A.
  • A participant explains that the assumption of the curl vanishing relates to Ampere's law without currents, and discusses how the uniformity of the y-component of H is derived from the assumption that nothing depends on y.
  • Further clarification is requested regarding the implications of the x- and z-components of the curl on the independence of H_y with respect to z and x, respectively.
  • A detailed explanation is provided, indicating that if H is y-independent, then the derivatives lead to the conclusion that H_y is independent of both x and z, ultimately suggesting that H_y is uniform.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the initial claim about the y-component of the curl being zero. The discussion reveals multiple competing views and interpretations of the assumptions involved, and the implications of the curl condition remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on specific assumptions about the vector field A and its components, particularly regarding uniformity and independence from certain variables. The mathematical steps leading to conclusions about the independence of H_y are not fully resolved.

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I came across in a journal that for a \nabla\times A=0 where A is vector, if y-component of that A is uniform then author claims that y-component of curl of a A is zero?
Can anyone explain the above context?
 
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Are you sure that's what's being claimed? Because it isn't true; the y-component of the curl is independent of the y-component of the vector. Maybe there is something extra assumed about A? Can you link to the article or attach the relevant section?
 
how to attach the pdf?
 
see Eq. (7) and previous statement connecting to that...
 

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The vanishing of the curl is what is assumed here (it's Ampere's law without currents). Then \partial_z H_x =\partial_x H_z is just taking the y-component of the curl. The uniformity of the y-component of H is a separate conclusion, and comes from the assumption that nothing depends on y ("the wave is not modulated transversely"). Then the x- and z-components of the curl give you z- and x-independence of Hy respectively.

Hope that helps.
 
Dear henry_m

Please clearly elucidate this statement "Then the x- and z-components of the curl give you z- and x-independence of Hy respectively."
 
saravanan13 said:
Please clearly elucidate this statement "Then the x- and z-components of the curl give you z- and x-independence of Hy respectively."

Yeah sure, sorry that wasn't very clear.

We're assuming the curl of H vanishes from the physics. The x-component of this says that \partial_y H_z=\partial_z H_y. But H is y-independent by assumption, so \partial_y H_z=0, and hence \partial_z H_y is zero. This means that H_y is independent of z.

If you do the same for the z-component of the curl, you find that H_y is independent of x.

Finally, we're assuming H is independent of y. So H_y is independent of x,y, and z, and hence uniform.
 

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