Explaining the Proton-to-Electron Ratio in the Periodic Table

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the proton-to-electron ratio in the context of the periodic table, specifically addressing how nuclear charge affects atomic size as one moves from left to right across the table. The conversation touches on concepts of atomic structure, electric fields, and Coulomb's Law.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how nuclear charge can increase while maintaining a 1:1 ratio of protons to electrons in atoms.
  • Another participant explains that the nucleus acts as a positive particle that attracts electrons, suggesting that the increase in nuclear charge leads to a stronger pull on the electrons, thereby decreasing atomic radius.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether they should focus on the increasing nuclear charge rather than the proton-to-electron ratio.
  • There is a reference to Coulomb's Law to understand the forces acting on charged particles and how they relate to atomic structure.
  • A participant notes that as both electron and proton charges increase, the force of attraction will also increase, assuming the distance between the outer shell and nucleus remains constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the proton-to-electron ratio versus the impact of increasing nuclear charge. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these concepts on atomic size.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the interactions between protons and electrons, as well as the application of Coulomb's Law in this context. The discussion does not fully address the complexities of atomic interactions and the role of electron shielding.

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Hey guys we say that when in periodic table we go from left to right atomic size decreases because of increase in nuclear charge in the same shell but my question is that the electron to proton ratio is 1:1 then how nuclear charge is increased. Some say nuclear charge is concentrated but my attention is still there on 1:1 ratio of proton to electron. Can u explain this ?
 
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You seem to have the idea that each proton and electron cancel out the other's electric field. Really, the nucleus acts as a large positive particle that pulls each electron individually. Increasing the charge of the nucleus increases the pull, thereby decreasing the atomic radius.
 
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Alexmer said:
You seem to have the idea that each proton and electron cancel out the other's electric field. Really, the nucleus acts as a large positive particle that pulls each electron individually. Increasing the charge of the nucleus increases the pull, thereby decreasing the atomic radius.
You want to say that i shouldn't see to that ratio of 1:1 but to consider as nuclear charge increases in a particular shell so it attracts electrons more strongly. Like this?
 
Yes. Look into Coulomb's Law if you would like to understand why.
 
Alexmer said:
Yes. Look into Coulomb's Law if you would like to understand why.
Ohk ty
 
Hey i went for Coulomb's law its force on charged particles are expressed mathematically as F=k Q q/ r^2 that means as distance between outer shell and nucleus is constant but both electron charge and proton charges are increasing so the force of attraction will be increased
 

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