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The discussion revolves around a system of linear equations involving a parameter k, specifically analyzing the conditions under which the system has a unique solution, infinitely many solutions, or no solution. The equations are presented in a matrix form, and participants explore the implications of different values of k on the solution set.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the conditions for unique, infinite, and no solutions based on the value of k. There is confusion regarding the interpretation of parameters and the implications of setting x3 as an arbitrary variable. Questions arise about the nature of solutions when k takes on values other than 0 or 1.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between k and the types of solutions, while others are seeking clarification on specific parts of the reasoning. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express solutions in terms of k, particularly when k is neither 0 nor 1. The discussion appears to be productive, with participants engaging in back-and-forth dialogue to clarify concepts.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which requires them to analyze the system without providing complete solutions. There is a focus on understanding the implications of the parameter k and its effect on the solution set.

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Homework Statement





-4x1 +2x2 =2
4x1 -3x2 -2x3 =-3
2x1 -x2 +(k - k2)x3 =-k

Find the values of k for which the system has 1) unique solution, 2) infinitely many solution and 3) no solution



The Attempt at a Solution



In REF: the matrix is
-4 2 0 | 2
0 -1 -2 | -1
0 0 k(1-k) | 1-k


1) I do not understand why the solution sets x3 = y to give a single parameter solution set.


2) for a system to have infinitely solution k must be 1 because 1(1-1) = 0 and 1-1 = 0
0 = 0 implies infinitely many solution

3) for a system to have no solution, the solution must be inconsistent
and so, k(1-k) must equal to 0 for some value k and 1-k gives a value that is an element of real number with the exclusion of 0. For this to be true, k = 0.
0(1-0) = 0 and 1-0 = 1
we see that 0 = 1 but this produces a contradiction.
 
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negation said:

Homework Statement





-4x1 +2x2 =2
4x1 -3x2 -2x3 =-3
2x1 -x2 +(k - k2)x3 =-k

Find the values of k for which the system has 1) unique solution, 2) infinitely many solution and 3) no solution



The Attempt at a Solution



In REF: the matrix is
-4 2 0 | 2
0 -1 -2 | -1
0 0 k(1-k) | 1-k


1) I do not understand why the solution sets x3 = y to give a single parameter solution set.

If k=1 x3 is arbitrary. y means just an arbitrary number. And you can write the solution set in terms of y.

negation said:
2) for a system to have infinitely solution k must be 1 because 1(1-1) = 0 and 1-1 = 0
0 = 0 implies infinitely many solution

3) for a system to have no solution, the solution must be inconsistent
and so, k(1-k) must equal to 0 for some value k and 1-k gives a value that is an element of real number with the exclusion of 0. For this to be true, k = 0.
0(1-0) = 0 and 1-0 = 1
we see that 0 = 1 but this produces a contradiction.

Correct. But what happens if k≠1 and k≠0? What is (are) the solution(s)?


ehild
 
ehild said:
If k=1 x3 is arbitrary. y means just an arbitrary number. And you can write the solution set in terms of y.



Correct. But what happens if k≠1 and k≠0? What is (are) the solution(s)?


ehild

I'm still not capturing the full essence of part (1). Maybe some simple examples?

part(3): if k ≠ 1 and k ≠ 0 then we can pick any values of k? But what is the corollary from this?
 
Part (1) asks about unique solution (for a given k) K can be anything, but 1 and zero. What is the solution set in terms of k?

Part(2) : infinite many solution exist if k=1, as x3 can be arbitrary. What are x1 and x2 in terms of x3?

Part 3 : no solution exist when k=0.

(1) Remember that a row of your matrix equation means an equation for x1,x2,x3. The last row of the reduced matrix means the equation k(1-k) x3=1-k. If k≠1 and k≠0 you get x3=1/k.
The second row means equation -x2-2x3=-1. Substitute 1/k for x3: -x2-2/k=-1, x2=1-2/k.
Continue with the first row and find x1.
Example: k=2. x3=0.5, x2=0.

You see that the solution set is unique for a given value of k.
In case (2) k=1 and x3 is arbitrary. x3=y
The second raw means -x2-2x3=-1→-x2-2y=-1→x2=1-2y.
Do the same with the first row.
If y=0, for example, x3=y=0, x2=1 and x1=0.

ehild
 
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ehild said:
Part (1) asks about unique solution (for a given k) K can be anything, but 1 and zero. What is the solution set in terms of k?

Part(2) : infinite many solution exist if k=1, as x3 can be arbitrary. What are x1 and x2 in terms of x3?

Part 3 : no solution exist when k=0.

(1) Remember that a row of your matrix equation means an equation for x1,x2,x3. The last row of the reduced matrix means the equation k(1-k) x3=1-k. If k≠1 and k≠0 you get x3=1/k.
The second row means equation -x2-2x3=-1. Substitute 1/k for x3: -x2-2/k=-1, x2=1-2/k.
Continue with the first row and find x1.
Example: k=2. x3=0.5, x2=0.

You see that the solution set is unique for a given value of k.
In case (2) k=1 and x3 is arbitrary. x3=y
The second raw means -x2-2x3=-1→-x2-2y=-1→x2=1-2y.
Do the same with the first row.
If y=0, for example, x3=y=0, x2=1 and x1=0.

ehild

It is clear now. I was earlier able to work to the part where k(1-k)x3 = (-k+1)
simplifying produces x3 = 1/k but was confused as to what I should do with what I had especially since it conflicted with what my answer key showed.

In response to your question, x3 = 1/k. If x3 = y, 1/k = y.

∴ x3 = y

-x2 -2x3 = -1
-x2 -2y = -1
∴ x2 = 1-2y

-4x1 +2x2 =2
-4x1 +2(1-2y) 2
∴x1 =-y

1/k can be substituted into y (preferences)
 
negation said:
It is clear now. I was earlier able to work to the part where k(1-k)x3 = (-k+1)
simplifying produces x3 = 1/k but was confused as to what I should do with what I had especially since it conflicted with what my answer key showed.

In response to your question, x3 = 1/k. If x3 = y, 1/k = y.
No, y comes in when k=1.

If k is neither 1 nor zero, there is a unique solution , and that is case (1)

negation said:
∴ x3 = [STRIKE]y[/STRIKE]=1/k

-x2 -2x3 = -1
-x2 -2y = -1
∴ x2 = 1-[STRIKE]2y[/STRIKE]2/k

-4x1 +2x2 =2
-4x1 +2(1-2y) 2
∴x1 =-[STRIKE]y[/STRIKE]1/k
[STRIKE]
1/k can be substituted into y (preferences)[/STRIKE]

If k=1 you have a free parameter - y - in the solution. That is case (2)

x3=y; x2=1-2y, x1=? ehild
 
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ehild said:
No, y comes in when k=1.

If k is neither 1 nor zero, there is a unique solution , and that is case (1)



If k=1 you have a free parameter - y - in the solution. That is case (2)

x3=y; x2=1-2y, x1=?


ehild

I should have known not to complicate the answer by setting 1/k = y.

But I have this one.

If k = 1, we have 1(1-1) | (-1+1) and this produces 0 = 0.
We have an infinite solution set.
0x3 = 0
setting x3 = y we see that via back substituition

x2 = 1-2y
x1 = [2+2(1-2y)]/-4 :-p (lazy to simplify but I have the conceptual idea)
 
negation said:
x2 = 1-2y
x1 = [2+2(1-2y)]/-4 :-p (lazy to simplify but I have the conceptual idea)

Good! :biggrin:

ehild
 
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