Explicit non-local form for the vector potential?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of an explicitly non-local vector potential in the context of light-matter interaction Hamiltonians. Participants explore the implications of this approach, particularly in relation to the mathematical representation of the vector potential and its dependence on spatial variables.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces a calculation involving a non-local vector potential, questioning whether this approach is valid or if there is a misunderstanding in their work.
  • Another participant clarifies that the matrix element of the vector potential can be expressed as a c-number function, suggesting that this representation removes non-locality.
  • A subsequent participant raises concerns about the generality of using a delta function in this context, particularly when the vector potential may not be a simple function or known in complex media.
  • Further discussion emphasizes that the vector potential should be treated as an operator, and the form of the vector potential must be known to analyze the system effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and generality of using a non-local vector potential and the implications of representing it with delta functions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which these representations hold true.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the form of the vector potential and its applicability in various physical contexts, particularly in complex systems with varying properties.

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Hello everyone,

I was looking at the light matter interaction Hamiltonian and I worked out a simple calculation where I was surprised to see that I had to introduce an explicitly non-local vector potential if I want to go further:

$$\langle\psi| \boldsymbol{\hat{A}}(t)\cdot\boldsymbol{\hat{p}}|\phi\rangle = \int\int d^{3}rd^{3}r' \langle\psi|\boldsymbol{r'}\rangle\langle\boldsymbol{r'}|\boldsymbol{\hat{A}}(t)|\boldsymbol{r}\rangle\cdot\langle\boldsymbol{r}|\boldsymbol{\hat{p}}|\phi\rangle$$

Giving:

$$\langle\psi|\boldsymbol{\hat{A}}(t)\cdot\boldsymbol{\hat{p}}|\phi\rangle = \int\int d^{3}rd^{3}r' \psi^{*}(\boldsymbol{r'})\langle \boldsymbol{r'}|\boldsymbol{\hat{A}}(t)|\boldsymbol{r}\rangle\cdot\left(\frac{\hbar}{i}\right)\boldsymbol{\nabla}_{\boldsymbol{r}}\phi(\boldsymbol{r})$$

I would rewrite ##\langle \boldsymbol{r'}|\boldsymbol{\hat{A}}(t)|\boldsymbol{r}\rangle## as ##\boldsymbol{\hat{A}}(\boldsymbol{r'},\boldsymbol{r},t)##. But only ##\boldsymbol{\hat{A}}(\boldsymbol{r},t)## has been considered as a correct form for the vector potential in the literature (usually the dependence with r is a plane-wave). Perhaps I have done something wrong in my calculation although it looks simple? Or is there something in the physics related to vector potentials that I have been missing until now?

Thank you for any thoughts about that!
 
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Amentia said:
I would rewrite ##\langle r'|\boldsymbol{\hat{A}}(t)|r\rangle## as ##\boldsymbol{\hat{A}}(\boldsymbol{r'},\boldsymbol{r},t)##.
It's actually
$$\langle r'|\boldsymbol{\hat{A}}(t)|r\rangle=\boldsymbol{A}(\boldsymbol{r'},\boldsymbol{r},t)$$
i.e. there is no hat on the right-hand side because the matrix element of an operator is a c-number, not an operator. Furthermore, this c-number function is of the form
$$\boldsymbol{A}(\boldsymbol{r'},\boldsymbol{r},t)=\delta(\boldsymbol{r'}-\boldsymbol{r}) \boldsymbol{A}(\boldsymbol{r},t)$$
which removes non-locality. All this is nothing but a simple generalization of
$$\langle r'|\boldsymbol{\hat{r}}|r\rangle=\delta(\boldsymbol{r'}-\boldsymbol{r}) \boldsymbol{r}$$
 
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Thank you, this is what I was looking for because I was trying to see how a delta function could be introduced here. However, is it always correct in general? If the dependence of A was not a plane-wave or a simple analytical function of r, could we still use this trick? It could happen that the exact form of A is not known in some complex medium, a nanosystem with position-varying dielectric constant, etc.

Edit: Also A is still an operator in quantum mechanics here... I do not like hybrid notations but we usually find it written both with the dependence on r and the creation and annihilation operators. I assume the initial A is supposed to be some kind of tensor product of operators acting on two different vector spaces.
 
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Amentia said:
Thank you, this is what I was looking for because I was trying to see how a delta function could be introduced here. However, is it always correct in general? If the dependence of A was not a plane-wave or a simple analytical function of r, could we still use this trick? It could happen that the exact form of A is not known in some complex medium, a nanosystem with position-varying dielectric constant, etc.
Think of A as
$$\hat{\bf A}(t)={\bf A}(\hat{\bf r},t)$$
where ##{\bf A}({\bf r},t)## is a known function. It doesn't need to be simple or analytic, it only needs to be known. If ##{\bf A}({\bf r},t)## is unknown, then you cannot analyze the system. It's like studying Schrödinger equation with unknown potential ##V(x)##; when it's unknown then you cannot say much about the system.
 
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Thank you, I think it is a reasonable assumption to make in physics and that completely solves my question!
 
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