Can an Object Launched into Space Eventually Collide with Earth?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of launching an object into space and the conditions under which it might eventually collide with Earth. Participants explore concepts related to orbital mechanics, gravitational influences, and the relative motion of celestial bodies over time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if an object is launched into space and its forward momentum is stopped, it could eventually be "picked up" by Earth after some time.
  • Another participant clarifies that if the object's motion is stopped relative to the Sun, it would not return to the same point as Earth due to gravitational effects, which would cause it to fall toward the Sun instead.
  • It is noted that the object would enter an elliptical orbit around the Sun, with its highest point being at 1 AU, and could potentially collide with Earth if it reaches Earth's orbit at the same time.
  • One participant estimates that after one year, the object would complete two orbits and would be approximately 22 days away from completing a third orbit, indicating it would miss Earth at that time.
  • Another participant adds that the delta-v required to reach the Sun is significantly higher than that needed to escape it, suggesting that reaching the Sun is a challenging endeavor.
  • Further speculation includes an estimate that after about 5 or 6 years, the object might come close enough to Earth that gravitational effects could lead to a collision, although these are described as rough estimates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the object's trajectory and the conditions for a potential collision with Earth. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the exact timing or mechanics of such an event.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of orbital mechanics and the influence of gravitational forces, with some estimates being based on visualizations rather than rigorous calculations. There are also assumptions made about the object's initial conditions and external influences that could alter its path.

Guiwee
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
orbiting earth!

Hope iposted this question in the right spot!.
If i launched something in space and then stopped its forward momentum
wouldnt the Earth gradually move away from it and pick it up again so to speak..a year later?
 
Physics news on Phys.org


Motion is always relative to something, so in this case I assume you mean to stop the motion of an object relative to the sun at some point near the Earth and then want to know if the Earth will move around the sun and then come back to this point a year later? If you were to ignore gravity on the object, then the answer would more or less be yes, but if you include gravity then the answer would be no, as the object would fall toward the sun.
 


In fact, the object would fall toward the Sun and miss, which is kind of the definition of an orbit. Your object would be pulled into a very ellipticle orbit, with the highest point being equal to the distance from which it originaly fell, which is the distance from the Sun to the Earth (1 AU). Unless it made a close pass by Venus or Mercury, or had some other outside force change its orbit, it would continue going in close to the Sun and back out to where the Earth orbits until it eventually gets to Earth's orbit at the same time Earth is passing through that point in its orbit. Then, of course, it would hit Earth (or Earth would hit it).
 


LURCH said:
In fact, the object would fall toward the Sun and miss, which is kind of the definition of an orbit. Your object would be pulled into a very ellipticle orbit, with the highest point being equal to the distance from which it originaly fell, which is the distance from the Sun to the Earth (1 AU). Unless it made a close pass by Venus or Mercury, or had some other outside force change its orbit, it would continue going in close to the Sun and back out to where the Earth orbits until it eventually gets to Earth's orbit at the same time Earth is passing through that point in its orbit. Then, of course, it would hit Earth (or Earth would hit it).

Any object that is even a bit slower than Earth at Earth's distance from the sun would be in an orbit with a different orbital time than earth, so after a year it it will not be where Earth is. If we assume this special object is put into an orbit where perihelios (closest point to sun) is approximately zero, the period of the object would be around 130 days.
 


So, how many orbits before it would hit Earth?
 


LURCH said:
So, how many orbits before it would hit Earth?

Well, after one year the object would have done 2 orbits and will be around 22 days from completing its third. In other words, everything else being equal it would miss Earth with 22 days on its third orbit.
 


By the way, the delta v required to get to the sun is very high, much higher than the delta v required to escape the sun. In that sense, the sun is the most difficult place to reach in the universe. You can get anywhere else with less fuel (ignoring, of course, fancy maneuvers like gravitational slingshot etc).
 


Filip Larsen said:
Well, after one year the object would have done 2 orbits and will be around 22 days from completing its third. In other words, everything else being equal it would miss Earth with 22 days on its third orbit.
And, if my rough guesses are close, there is a point about 5 or 6 years out where it misses by lass than a week, and around 10 years down the road I think it gets so close that our gravity would do the rest. These are just estimates by picturing the orbits in my head, of course; I'll try to do the maths (internet has been down for almost a week).

The point is, the two cannot just keep crossing paths forever; they must eventually colide.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
6K
  • · Replies 29 ·
Replies
29
Views
2K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
6K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
1K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
3K