Exploring Original Works for Students of Mathematics and Physics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the value and accessibility of original works by mathematicians and physicists for students in mathematics and physics. Participants explore whether reading these original texts is beneficial, how to find them, and which works might be recommended.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in reading original works but questions their accessibility and relevance for a second-year student.
  • Another participant suggests Cantor's "Transfinite Numbers" as a free e-book resource.
  • There is a mention of Hilbert's reworking of Euclid's Elements being available online.
  • Multiple participants recommend JSTOR as a valuable resource for accessing archived papers.
  • One participant shares a personal experience of struggling with original papers but ultimately gaining understanding that benefited their class participation.
  • Another participant suggests reading collections like "On the Shoulders of Giants" and "God Created the Integers," curated by Stephen Hawking, as a way to access classic works.
  • There is a viewpoint that reading original works may not be advisable for beginners, as textbooks might provide clearer and more updated explanations.
  • Some participants argue for the importance of understanding the historical context and thought processes behind discoveries, suggesting that original works can supplement learning.
  • A later reply emphasizes that while original works can be beneficial, they may not capture the discovery process effectively and could lead to confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the value of reading original works versus textbooks. Some advocate for original texts as a means of understanding foundational ideas, while others caution against their complexity for students still learning the material. No consensus is reached on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that original works may contain outdated terminology and concepts, which could complicate understanding for students. There is also mention of the potential for confusion when transitioning from original texts to modern interpretations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students of mathematics and physics, educators considering curriculum design, and anyone interested in the historical context of scientific ideas.

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I would like to read the original works of mathematicians and physicists. I am in the second year of maths & physics. I was wondering if this would be any good for me. Also, how would I go about finding their works? It's not as though the originals are published, it's mostly second hand stuff. Would the university library have the original works?
If not, how could I get hold of them? And lastly, who would you suggest I read?
Thank you for your time and input.
 
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Cantor's Transfinite Numbers available as a free e-book: http://www.openlibrary.org/details/contributionstot003626mbp
 
Holy cow, thanks! But Cantor, I think, will be a bit over my head :rolleyes:
I think Hilbert's reworking of Euclid's Elements (or wateva) is on the web too, somewhere, must find it and download it.
 
Go to JSTOR, the archived database of all journals. Millions of papers were scanned for electronic download.
 
resist the impulse that they may be over your head, just read them. if one is impenetrable, try another one.

you WILL get something from most of them, certainly not everything.A personal note: Once I spent a few hours in the library reading a very small portion of an original paper, feeling very discouraged, as it took hours to read only a couple of pages.

the next day in class the prof asked questions about just that topic and i knew so much, he finally told me to shut up as i obviously knew the topic well!
 
Just curious, what paper was that and by whom?
 
qspeechc said:
If not, how could I get hold of them? And lastly, who would you suggest I read?
You might want to check out the books On the Shoulders of Giants and God Created the Integers, which are collections of some of the 'classic' works in physics and mathematics, chosen by Stephen Hawking.
 
IMO when trying to learn a new subject, it's typically NOT a good idea to read the original works; instead you should go with a textbook, because there may have been progress since the original paper, and textbooks may be more clear since they use modern lexicon, and your textbook may approach the subject differently than in the original works, and if your class follows a textbook, you should go along with it.
 
Go to JSTOR, the archived database of all journals. Millions of papers were scanned for electronic download.
Thanks! I'm finding that very useful!


resist the impulse that they may be over your head, just read them. if one is impenetrable, try another one.

you WILL get something from most of them, certainly not everything.
Thanks mathwonk, you're so intelligent, and always willing to help nobodies like me :)


You might want to check out the books On the Shoulders of Giants and God Created the Integers, which are collections of some of the 'classic' works in physics and mathematics, chosen by Stephen Hawking.
Thanks. Some of the English is a bit challenging though.

IMO when trying to learn a new subject, it's typically NOT a good idea to read the original works; instead you should go with a textbook, because there may have been progress since the original paper, and textbooks may be more clear since they use modern lexicon, and your textbook may approach the subject differently than in the original works, and if your class follows a textbook, you should go along with it.
To supplement, or in addition to (i.e. other topics not covered), the work we are being taught then? ISn't it important to see the process of imagination and creation by some of the greatest thinkers ever- how they lead to their discoveries? I think so.
 
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The process of discovering something is rarely captured in the final product. Of course it can't hurt you to supplement your studies with them, but just don't get confused.
 
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qspeechc said:
Holy cow, thanks! But Cantor, I think, will be a bit over my head :rolleyes:
You can read the Introduction; it is written by someone else, and written well.
 

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