Exploring the Anomalous i Value in Freezing Point Depression of KCl Solutions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the anomalous van't Hoff factor ("i") value observed in freezing point depression experiments with KCl solutions. Participants explore reasons for the discrepancy between the experimental value of 2.4 and the theoretical value of 2, considering factors such as experimental error and supercooling effects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports an experimental "i" value of 2.4 for KCl, questioning why it exceeds the theoretical value of 2.
  • Another participant suggests that the van't Hoff factor should theoretically be 2, implying that the higher experimental value may indicate experimental error or mathematical mistakes.
  • A different participant recalls a significantly different "i" value obtained from a related experiment, attributing potential causes to excessive KCl addition or supercooling effects observed during freezing point measurements.
  • Concerns about the physical significance of the van't Hoff factor are raised, with a suggestion to consult textbooks for clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reasons for the higher experimental "i" value, with some attributing it to experimental error while others consider the possibility of supercooling. No consensus is reached regarding the primary cause of the discrepancy.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential limitations such as experimental error, the impact of supercooling, and the need for further investigation into the van't Hoff factor's significance.

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Hi Guys,

I have a question and its regarding to the freezing point depression lab ... I did an experiment where I had to find an "i" value for KCl. I'm getting 2.4 for "i" ... but the theoratical value is 2.

I was just wondering why expriment value os higher than the theortical value ? what would be the reason behind this?

Also, is there any website where I can find out that how the freezing point dpression graph look like for KCl?

Thanks
 
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ada15 said:
I have a question and its regarding to the freezing point depression lab ... I did an experiment where I had to find an "i" value for KCl. I'm getting 2.4 for "i" ... but the theoratical value is 2.

I was just wondering why expriment value os higher than the theortical value ? what would be the reason behind this?

What's 'i'? The van't hoff factor?

Look into your book for the physical significance of the van't hoff factor and the answer should be obvious
 
siddharth said:
What's 'i'? The van't hoff factor?

Look into your book for the physical significance of the van't hoff factor and the answer should be obvious

Perhaps I am missing something, but I think it should be just 2...

Experimental error? Math?



 
Borek said:
Perhaps I am missing something, but I think it should be just 2...

Experimental error? Math?

Borek
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Yep.

I was saying that if ada15 read up on the van't hoff factor, he/she would immediately know that theoretically it can't exceed 2 and therefore must be an experimental error or math.
 
I remember getting a value of "i" that was much further away from the theoretical value, however, it was calculated from the equilibrium constant for an acid. What may have happened in your case is that you may have added an excessive amount of KCl. Another thing is that supercooling may have resulted in a decreased freezing point value...this was the case for our solution, the NaCl employed as an 'ice bath' to freeze the experimental solution had a graph of temperature versus time that showed an initial dip in the temperature and then rose to the 'real' freezing point temperature.
 

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