Exponential Distribution: Calculating the Half-Life & Survival Rate of a Rock"

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The discussion revolves around calculating the half-life and survival rate of atoms in a rock, specifically focusing on the application of the exponential distribution in determining the time required for a certain probability of survival of at least one atom. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and theoretical considerations related to probability distributions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the probability of at least one atom surviving can be modeled using a Poisson distribution, leading to a calculation of time based on the half-life of the substance.
  • Another participant points out a potential misunderstanding regarding the time unit, suggesting that the answer should be in centuries rather than years.
  • A later reply questions the correctness of the initial calculations, specifically the derivation of the parameter μ, suggesting it should be -ln(0.5) instead of ln(5), and recommends checking the result using a binomial distribution.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the calculations and assumptions made, particularly about the time unit and the derivation of the parameter μ. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the correct approach.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the survival probabilities and the applicability of different probability distributions. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or clarify the definitions used.

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Readers interested in probability theory, statistical modeling, and applications of exponential distributions in physical sciences may find this discussion relevant.

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A piece of rock contains 10^20 atoms of a particular substance. Each atom has an expoentially distributed lifetime with a half-life of one century. How many centurites must pass before

there is about a 50% chance that at least one atom remains. What assumptions are you making?

answer:

so P (at least one survives past t) = P (no one does) = .5

now, I'm making the assumption that Prob of survival is so small and since n is huge, this follows a poisson disn.

thus .5 = P(k=0) = e

then μ = ln 5

now μ = np = 1020* e-ln 2 t. ln 2 is my parameter since half time is 1 century.

thus t = ln(1020/ln 5) * (ln 2)-1 ≈ 65 years
 
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Your time unit is centuries, not years. So your answer (I didn't check arithmetic) is 65 centuries.
 
what about the theory, is it correct?
 
.5 = P(k=0) = e

then μ = ln 5

Above has error, μ = -ln.5 = ln2

The general idea is correct. You might try a binomial to check. The result should be about the same.
 

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