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The discussion revolves around simplifying an expression involving exponents, specifically focusing on the manipulation of terms with negative exponents and the application of the quotient and product rules in algebra. The subject area includes exponent rules and algebraic simplification.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore different interpretations of the expression and the application of exponent rules. Questions arise regarding the placement of terms in the numerator and denominator after simplification, particularly concerning the handling of negative exponents.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying steps taken and questioning assumptions about the expression's structure. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of the original expression and the application of exponent rules, but no consensus has been reached on the final form of the expression.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the original expression's format, particularly the use of parentheses, which affects the interpretation of the terms involved. Participants are also addressing the distinction between an expression and an equation in their discussion.

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Homework Statement
Simplify and remove all negative exponents from this equation:

## \frac {2k^2 k^3} {k^{-1} k^{-5}}(5k^{-2})^{-3}##
Relevant Equations
Quotient Rule: ##\frac {x^a} {x^b} = x^{a-b}##

Product Rule: ## x^a x^b = x^{a+b}##
So my attempt is this: ##(2k)^2 k^3 = 4k^5## to clear the top numerator then to clear the denominator ## k^{-1} k^{-5} = k^{-6}##Then I apply the quotient rule and get ##4k^{11} (5k^{-2})^{-3}## and simplifying the right hand side I get ##5^{-3} k^6## here is where I got lost, why is it that when you use a negative exponent on the 5 to get 1/125 why do you apply the ##k^{17}## to numerator and not the denominator ##\frac {4k^{17}} {125}## Why isn't the answer ## \frac {4} {125k^{17}}## ?

I probably forgot the rules from arithmetic most likely, I feel embarrassed to ask but that's the only way you learn.
 
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The pieces you did look correct, but there is a danger of losing track of some pieces. It would be better to keep everything together at each step like this:
##\frac {2k^2k^3}{k^{-1}k^{-5}}(5k^{-2})^{-3}##
## = \frac {4k^5}{k^{-1}k^{-5}}(5k^{-2})^{-3}##
## = \frac {4k^5}{k^{-6}}(5k^{-2})^{-3}##
## = 4k^{11}(5k^{-2})^{-3}##
## = 4k^{11}(5^{-3}k^6)##

At this point, I don't see why you are asking your question. You use the negative power for the 5 because you have a negative, ##-3##, and you use the positive power for the ##k^{17}## because you got positive exponents: ##k^{11+6} = k^{17}##
 
Sorry if I wasn't clear: why is it ## \frac {4k^{17}} {125}## instead of ##\frac {4} {125k^{17}}##
 
hackedagainanda said:
Sorry if I wasn't clear: why is it ## \frac {4k^{17}} {125}## instead of ##\frac {4} {125k^{17}}##
You successfully got it to ##4k^{11}5^{-3}k^6##.
What did you do next?
 
hackedagainanda said:
Homework Statement:: Simplify and remove all negative exponents from this equation:

## \frac {2k^2 k^3} {k^{-1} k^{-5}}(5k^{-2})^{-3}##
Relevant Equations:: Quotient Rule: ##\frac {x^a} {x^b} = x^{a-b}##

Product Rule: ## x^a x^b = x^{a+b}##

So my attempt is this: ##(2k)^2 k^3 = 4k^5## to clear the top numerator
Your attempt is not correct. From the original expression, the numerator is ##2k^2k^3##, which is ##2 \cdot k^2 \cdot k^3 = 2k^5##. In your attempt, you have ##(2k)^2k^3##. This is different from the original expression.

BTW, what you're given is not an equation -- an equation has a = symbol in it.
hackedagainanda said:
then to clear the denominator ## k^{-1} k^{-5} = k^{-6}##Then I apply the quotient rule and get ##4k^{11} (5k^{-2})^{-3}## and simplifying the right hand side I get ##5^{-3} k^6## here is where I got lost, why is it that when you use a negative exponent on the 5 to get 1/125 why do you apply the ##k^{17}## to numerator and not the denominator ##\frac {4k^{17}} {125}## Why isn't the answer ## \frac {4} {125k^{17}}## ?

I probably forgot the rules from arithmetic most likely, I feel embarrassed to ask but that's the only way you learn.
If the expression in the problem statement is the correct one (i.e., with ##2k^2## rather than ##(2k)^2 )##, then the result I get is this:
$$\frac 2 {125}k^{17}$$
 
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haruspex said:
You successfully got it to ##4k^{11}5^{-3}k^6##.
What did you do next?
I see now, since the first k variable is attached to the 4 I group the second instance of the k variable to the first and get ##4k^{17} {1/125}##
 
Mark44 said:
Your attempt is not correct. From the original expression, the numerator is ##2k^2k^3##, which is ##2 \cdot k^2 \cdot k^3 = 2k^5##. In your attempt, you have ##(2k)^2k^3##. This is different from the original expression.

BTW, what you're given is not an equation -- an equation has a = symbol in it.

If the expression in the problem statement is the correct one (i.e., with ##2k^2## rather than ##(2k)^2 )##, then the result I get is this:
$$\frac 2 {125}k^{17}$$
Sorry I forgot to include the parentheses in the first expression, and you are right the problem is an expression.
 

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