Extremely hydrogenated carbon compounds

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SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on the exploration of ultra-hydrogenated carbon compounds, specifically those with a carbon to hydrogen ratio of 1/5, 1/6, 1/7, and 1/8, for potential use in chemical rocket fuels. The heating values of methane (60 MJ/kg) and diatomic hydrogen (160 MJ/kg) are noted, highlighting the need for estimates on the heating values of these unstable compounds. Participants emphasize the importance of stability and production feasibility in selecting new propellants. A recommended resource is "Ignition!, an Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants" by John Drury Clark, which provides valuable insights into historical and contemporary fuel research.

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  • Basic chemistry knowledge to understand molecular stability and heating values.
  • Familiarity with rocket propulsion concepts and specific impulse metrics.
  • Understanding of chemical compound stability and production methods.
  • Knowledge of historical rocket propellant research and literature.
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  • Research the heating values of ultra-hydrogenated carbon compounds.
  • Study "Ignition!, an Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants" by John Drury Clark.
  • Investigate the stability and production methods of potential new propellants.
  • Explore contemporary chemical production techniques for rocket fuels.
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Chemical engineers, rocket propulsion researchers, and anyone involved in the development of advanced rocket fuels will benefit from this discussion.

James Essig
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I am interested in prospects for extremely hydrogenated carbon compounds as rocket fuels.
I am doing some theoretical free-lance work on prospects of chemical rocket fuels with unusually high heating values and specific impulses.
One of my latest interests is prospects for using fuels with molecules made of one carbon atom and 5 or more hydrogen atoms. Specific examples I am interested in are compounds of one carbon atom and 5, 6, 7, or 8 hydrogen atoms.

I am aware of methane which consists of one carbon atom and four hydrogen atoms and how the heating value of this compound is on the order of 60 megajoules per kilogram while diatomic hydrogen has an upper heating value on the order of 160 megajoules per kilogram.

I was curious if anyone can provide me estimates of heating values of any possible ultra-hydrogenated carbon compounds with a carbon to hydrogen atom ratio of 1/5, 1/6, 1/7, and 1/8. Also, if such compounds ordinarily are too unstable and short lived to be useful according to contemporary chemical production methods, that would be good to know also.

Thanks;

Jim
 
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The compounds in question are unstable and do not exist for more than a tiny fraction of a second.
 
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If you intend to do work on this subject, I would strongly suggest you look at a basic liquid fuel book, like "Ignition!, an Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants", by John Drury Clark, which has been recently re-published. The list of "stuff" that has been burned in unusual combinations is pretty extensive. It may give you some new directions to look toward, if you haven't already read it or are otherwise familiar with the content.

There is a ton of information in there about the different tracks that were taken and what was learned, and in many cases, why research in that area was stopped. There is also some research that is left to the future. The final conclusion is a little dated, however.

This book is basic, but requires some chemistry background for good perspective. For new propellants, I'd concentrate on materials that can actually be produced in quantity that are stable for useful storage.
 
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A million times yes! This book is such a gem, both for its info and for the painfully and hilariously accurate portrayal of how professional science is actually done.
 
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