F_{P} is the force of air resistance on the parachute

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a parachuting scenario where an 84 kg person experiences a downward acceleration of 3.0 m/s², with a parachute mass of 5.5 kg. Participants are tasked with determining the upward force exerted on the parachute by air resistance and the downward force exerted by the person on the parachute.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the person, including air resistance and weight, and question whether acceleration should be considered a force. There is also confusion regarding the equality of forces in parts a) and b) of the problem. Some participants attempt to apply Newton's laws and express the net force equation, while others express uncertainty about the correctness of their reasoning and calculations.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on identifying forces and applying Newton's laws correctly. There is a mix of attempts to clarify concepts and calculations, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of force interactions in a parachuting context, with some expressing confusion over the application of Newton's laws and the relationships between the forces involved. There is also a mention of potential discrepancies in numerical calculations.

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Homework Statement


An 84 kg person is parachuting and experiencing a downward acceleration of 3.0 m/s2. The mass of the parachute is 5.5 kg.

a) What upward force is exerted on the open parachute by the air?
(b) What downward force is exerted by the person on the parachute?

Homework Equations


Fnet=mA
Fg=mg
W=mg

The Attempt at a Solution


How many forces are acting on him? Parachute force, air resistance, weight (mg), and acceleration? Is that the only forces? Would the equation look like Fnet = mg-Fp-Fair=mg ? I cannot seem to come up with the correct answer. Would a) and b) be equal?
 
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The parachute force is the force of air resistance (ignoring any small air resistance on the person), so don't count it twice. Also, acceleration is NOT a force. So there are just 2 forces acting on the person, the net sum of which must be in accord with Newton 2. You say 'a' and 'b' are equal...reasoning?
 
Sometimes they put more applicational problems instead of actual computing it was just a total guess. But Newtons law says Fnet=mg-Fp=ma correct? Is that the equation for this type of problem?
 
mcg5132 said:
Sometimes they put more applicational problems instead of actual computing it was just a total guess. But Newtons law says Fnet=mg-Fp=ma correct? Is that the equation for this type of problem?
Yes, but be careful to identify to which object or system of objects you are applying Newton's laws.
 
I'm confused, if these numbers are correct it seems like the answer would turn out exactly the same. Fp=mg(823.2)-ma(252)=571 Yes?
 
Anybody?
 
for part a you seem to be quite close
but I think what you might need is
(m_{1}+m_{2})a=-m_{1}g-m_{2}g+F_{p}
where
m_{1} is the mass of the person
m_{2} is the mass of the parachute
g=9.8
a=3.0
 

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