Factoring 4th degree polynomial.

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The discussion revolves around the factorization of the quartic polynomial $\displaystyle x^4+2x^3-8x^2+18x+9$. Participants explore potential factorizations, question the correctness of the given polynomial, and suggest alternative forms that might factor more easily.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to factor the polynomial by grouping terms but questions their setup and correctness.
  • Another participant expresses doubt about the polynomial's correctness and suggests it may have been copied incorrectly.
  • A third participant agrees with the doubt about the polynomial and proposes that a different constant might lead to a successful factorization.
  • Some participants assert that the polynomial is irreducible over the integers, indicating that it cannot be factored in Z[x].
  • Several participants suggest that tweaking the coefficients could yield polynomials that are factorable, listing various alternatives.
  • One participant proposes an alternative polynomial form that they believe can be factored nicely, providing a detailed factorization process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not agree on the correctness of the original polynomial, with multiple competing views regarding its potential factorization. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the original polynomial's validity and factorability.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential typos in the polynomial, which affect the factorization attempts. The discussion highlights the importance of precise coefficients in determining factorability.

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$\displaystyle x^4+2x^3-8x^2+18x+9$

this is what i tried,

$x^4+2x^3-8x^2 = (x^2+4x)(x^2-2x)$

then,

$a(x^2+4x)+b(x^2-2x)=18x$

where ab=9

did i set up my solution correctly? can you tell me where I'm wrong.
 
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I don't find a nice factorization for this quartic polynomial. Are you sure it is given correctly?
 
paulmdrdo said:
$\displaystyle x^4+2x^3-8x^2+18x+9$

this is what i tried,

$x^4+2x^3-8x^2 = (x^2+4x)(x^2-2x)$
I am pretty sure that MarkFL is correct and that you have copied the question wrongly. My guess is that the $+\:9$ at the end should be $-\:9$. If so, then your partial factorisation $x^4+2x^3-8x^2 = (x^2+4x)(x^2-2x)$ is a very good step in the right direction. All you have to do is to add a constant to each factor: $x^4+2x^3-8x^2 + 18x +9 = (x^2+4x\: +\: ??)(x^2-2x\: + \: ??).$
 
paulmdrdo said:
$\displaystyle x^4+2x^3-8x^2+18x+9$

this is what i tried,

$x^4+2x^3-8x^2 = (x^2+4x)(x^2-2x)$

then,

$a(x^2+4x)+b(x^2-2x)=18x$

where ab=9

did i set up my solution correctly? can you tell me where I'm wrong.

If it was \displaystyle \begin{align*} x^4 + 2x^3 + 8x^2 + 18x - 9 \end{align*} it would factorise nicely by grouping. Are you sure that's not what it should be?
 
Indeed, the polynomial cannot be factored in Z[x]. Unless you clarify, there is going to be a lot of trouble identifying the typo. Here's a hint of what I am talking about :

You give the quartic polynomial (1, 2, -8, 18, 9) which is provably irreducible over Z[x]. The factorizable polynomials can be found by "tweaking" the coefficients a bit, i.e., (1, 2, -8, 18, -9), (1, 2, 8, 18, -9), (1, 2, -8, -18, -9), (1, -2, -8, -18, -9), (1, -2, -8, 18, -9), (1, -2, 8, -18, -9), etc are all provably splittable over Z[x], and I've barely covered the signing problems :eek:

$$\beta \alpha \lambda \alpha \rho \kappa \alpha$$
.

PS : When did I start signing like chisigma? :confused:
 
mathbalarka said:
Indeed, the polynomial cannot be factored in Z[x]. Unless you clarify, there is going to be a lot of trouble identifying the typo. Here's a hint of what I am talking about :

You give the quartic polynomial (1, 2, -8, 18, 9) which is provably irreducible over Z[x]. The factorizable polynomials can be found by "tweaking" the coefficients a bit, i.e., (1, 2, -8, 18, -9), (1, 2, 8, 18, -9), (1, 2, -8, -18, -9), (1, -2, -8, -18, -9), (1, -2, -8, 18, -9), (1, -2, 8, -18, -9), etc are all provably splittable over Z[x], and I've barely covered the signing problems :eek:

$$\beta \alpha \lambda \alpha \rho \kappa \alpha$$
.

PS : When did I start signing like chisigma? :confused:

Greetings and salutations my friend, Just as a note , and i realize Greek is not your native language , pronounced in Greek we would say valarka , there is no single letter in Greek that has a B (bee) sound , the beta is actually called 'vee - ta' and is pronounced exactly like English 'v', to get the 'B' sound a Greek would have to use two letters and write mu - pi , like this...

$$ \mu \pi \alpha \lambda \alpha \rho \kappa \alpha $$

The only reason i know this is because I'm part Greek.

:)
 
Hello, paulmdrdo!

Could the polynomial be: .x^4 + 2x^3 - 8x^2 \,{\color{red}-}\,18x \,{\color{red}-}\,9\,?

If so, there is a "nice" factorization.

x^4 + 2x^3 - 8x^2 - 18x - 9

. . =\;x^4 + 2x^3 + x^2 - 9x^2 - 18x - 9

. . =\; x^2(x^2+2x+1) - 9(x^2 + 2x + 1)

. . =\;(x^2+2x+1)(x^2-9)

. . =\;(x+1)^2(x-3)(x+3)
 

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