Factorizing an 'i' in Exponent: Justified?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical justification for factoring out an 'i' in the exponent when dealing with expressions like ##\frac{2^i}{5^i}##. Participants explore the implications of this operation, particularly in the context of algebraic manipulation and the meaning of exponentiation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the justification for factoring out ##\frac{2^i}{5^i}## algebraically, expressing uncertainty about how the exponent is derived.
  • Others explain that exponentiation can be understood as repeated multiplication, suggesting that ##(\frac{a}{b})^n = \frac{a^n}{b^n}## is a valid operation.
  • A participant illustrates the concept by breaking down the multiplication of terms, showing how the factors lead to the conclusion that ##\frac{2^i}{5^i} = (\frac{2}{5})^i##.
  • There is a mention of factorials in the context of the expression, indicating a more complex relationship between the terms involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the manipulation of exponents, with some grasping the concept while others remain confused. No consensus is reached on the clarity of the justification for the algebraic operation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants appear to conflate the variable 'i' with the imaginary unit, which may lead to confusion in the discussion. The discussion also reflects a lack of clarity on the foundational assumptions behind exponentiation and algebraic manipulation.

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In the attached picture, how is it justified to factor out an 'i' in the exponent of the 2 and the 5?
 

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Do you know what ##2^i## means?
 
fresh_42 said:
Do you know what ##2^i## means?

Apparently I do not. To clarify, I'm not working with imaginary, "i" is just the variable they choose.
 
Morgan Chafe said:
Apparently I do not. To clarify, I'm not working with imaginary, "i" is just the variable they choose.
I know. And with another letter: ##2^n## is simply a short form of multiplying ##2## with itself ##n## times.
##2^0 = 1## (convention), ##2^1 = 2, 2^2 = 2 \cdot 2 = 4, 2^3= 2 \cdot 2 \cdot 2 =8## and so on.
 
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fresh_42 said:
I know. And with another letter: ##2^n## is simply a short form of multiplying ##2## with itself ##n## times.
##2^0 = 1## (convention), ##2^1 = 2, 2^2 = 2 \cdot 2 = 4, 2^3= 2 \cdot 2 \cdot 2 =8## and so on.

Okay. But I'm still not sure on why they can factor out ##\frac{2^{i}}{5^{i}}## algebraically. I get that you can take the 2 out from the top and the 5 from the bottom but how do they get an exponent too?
 
Morgan Chafe said:
Okay. But I'm still not sure on why they can factor out ##\frac{2^{i}}{5^{i}}## algebraically. I get that you can take the 2 out from the top and the 5 from the bottom but how do they get an exponent too?
That's why ##(\frac{a}{b})^n = \frac{a}{b} \cdot ... \cdot \frac{a}{b} (n ## times ##) = \frac{a \cdot ... \cdot a }{b \cdot ... \cdot b} ## each ## n ## times.
##(\frac{2}{5})^3 = \frac{2}{5} \cdot \frac{2}{5} \cdot \frac{2}{5} = \frac{2 \cdot 2 \cdot 2}{5 \cdot 5 \cdot 5} = \frac{2^3}{5^3}##
And ##2## is contained in every single factor of the nominator and ##5## in every single factor of the denominator.
 
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fresh_42 said:
That's why ##(\frac{a}{b})^n = \frac{a}{b} \cdot ... \cdot \frac{a}{b} (n ## times ##) = \frac{a \cdot ... \cdot a }{b \cdot ... \cdot b} ## each ## n ## times.
##(\frac{2}{5})^3 = \frac{2}{5} \cdot \frac{2}{5} \cdot \frac{2}{5} = \frac{2 \cdot 2 \cdot 2}{5 \cdot 5 \cdot 5} = \frac{2^3}{5^3}##
And ##2## is contained in every single factor of the nominator and ##5## in every single factor of the denominator.

Sorry, I still don't follow.
 
Morgan Chafe said:
Sorry, I still don't follow.
##2 \cdot 4 \cdot 6 \cdot \cdot \cdot 2i = (2 \cdot 1) \cdot (2 \cdot 2) \cdot (2 \cdot 3) \cdot \cdot \cdot (2 \cdot i) = [ 2 \cdot 2 \cdot 2 \cdot \cdot \cdot (i ## times ##) \cdot \cdot \cdot 2] \cdot [1 \cdot 2 \cdot 3 \cdot \cdot \cdot i] = 2^i \cdot i!##
and the same with ##5## in the denominator. Then ##i!## cancels out and ##\frac{2^i}{5^i} = (\frac{2}{5})^i## is left.
 
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fresh_42 said:
##2 \cdot 4 \cdot 6 \cdot \cdot \cdot 2i = (2 \cdot 1) \cdot (2 \cdot 2) \cdot (2 \cdot 3) \cdot \cdot \cdot (2 \cdot i) = [ 2 \cdot 2 \cdot 2 \cdot \cdot \cdot (i ## times ##) \cdot \cdot \cdot 2] \cdot [1 \cdot 2 \cdot 3 \cdot \cdot \cdot i] = 2^i \cdot i!##
and the same with ##5## in the denominator. Then ##i!## cancels out and ##\frac{2^i}{5^i} = (\frac{2}{5})^i## is left.

I think I understand now! I feel pretty stupid lol. Much appreciated.
 

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