Falling monkeys (Projectile motion problem)

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The discussion revolves around solving a physics problem involving a monkey and a coconut using projectile motion equations. The user attempts to calculate the time it takes for the monkey to reach the height of the coconut but struggles with rearranging the equations correctly. Key equations involve the vertical displacement of both the monkey and the coconut, factoring in their respective velocities and gravitational acceleration. The community suggests clarifying the initial conditions and correctly applying the equations of motion to find a solution. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurately determining initial velocities and the correct setup of equations to progress in solving the problem.
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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



\DeltaY=VoYt+1/2gt2

The Attempt at a Solution



Rearranging the equation (using \DeltaY=h), I get \sqrt{}2h/g which, from what I understand, means it takes \sqrt{}2h/g seconds for the monkey to reach the point at which the coconut was thrown. My problem is moving on from here. All I know is that the monkey is at the original height of the coconut and the coconut is some portion of b from it's starting point (for what it's worth, my guess is 9, but I'd rather not lose points that I don't have to trying to guess). Where should I go from here?

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If the monkey catches the ball at a distance y from the ball, for monkey
Δy = h + y = ...?...(1)
For the ball
y =...? (2)
Solve these two equations to find t.
 
For monkey
ΔY = h + y
ΔY=1/2gt2+Vimt+1/2gt2
h is 1/2gt2, y is Vimt+1/2gt2 (Vim being the monkeys velocity after falling h meters.)

For ball
ΔY = y
ΔY = Vibt+1/2gt2

ΔY = ΔY
1/2gt2+Vimt+1/2gt2=Vibt+1/2gt2

And now I'm lost again. I tried figuring out the monkeys velocity once it reached the original height of the ball (a=Vf-Vi/t) and got
V=g\sqrt{}2h/g, put that into the monkey equation and got ΔY=g\sqrt{}2h/gt+2(1/2gt2), simplifying to ΔY=g\sqrt{}2h/gt+gt2. I tried to set the two equations equal to each other, getting Vibt+1/2gt2=g\sqrt{}2h/gt+gt2. From here I'm not sure what to do - I tried to find what t was equal to, but Vib and the two degrees of t's (t and t2) are making it rather difficult. I've tried rearranging twice and got a different answer each time. Any suggestions on what I'm doing wrong, or maybe where to start for rearranging?
 
Please help? Someone?
 
Your equation for monkey is wrong. Initial velocity of the monkey is zero.
In time t, monkey travels
h + y = 1/2*g*t^2.--------(1)
For Ball, the initial velocity is in the upward direction.
So y = -vo*t + 1/2*g*t^2.-------(2)
Find (1) - (2).
 
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